Louis Riddick on Justin, OC, the Bears Draft Situation etc.

[Brownie]

Really good listen.. sorry if already posted:

 

[modo]

You could make an argument that they want the "perfect" staff for either Williams or Fields, but Riddick has a point that they did not like what the staff did during the games, and I would agree either way.

 

[PrideisBears]

@dbldrew

 

[Enasic]

I respect Riddick, I appreciate his opinion, but there’s a reason he’s not a GM. Thinking Fields is going to jump from a career rating of 82 to an elite QB with a new OC is the rosiest and optimistic of takes.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Not sure why he kept up with the either/or scenario with the staff and Fields. It’s very possible both were bad.

 

[modo]

I respect Riddick, I appreciate his opinion, but there’s a reason he’s not a GM. Thinking Fields is going to jump from a career rating of 82 to an elite QB with a new OC is the rosiest and optimistic of takes.

Williams isn't automatically elite...

If he is its not going to be based on our observations here as fans get it wrong, a lot....almost as much as GMs.

 

[playthrough2001]

Really good listen.. sorry if already posted:

That’s a fantastic listen. Thank you for posting it.

I think the guys below should watch all of it. It cuts through so much nonsense you read on this board. Quite frankly, every Bear fan should give it a view.

@dbldrew
@DanielCCSBears
@Toast88

 

[playthrough2001]

I respect Riddick, I appreciate his opinion, but there’s a reason he’s not a GM. Thinking Fields is going to jump from a career rating of 82 to an elite QB with a new OC is the rosiest and optimistic of takes.

He’s quite clear about the shit show the Bears have been to this point handling Justin’s situation. The context of his argument is tough to dispute.

 

[Enasic]

Williams isn't automatically elite...

If he is its not going to be based on our observations here as fans get it wrong, a lot....almost as much as GMs.

I didn’t say anything about Williams being automatically elite. More so, disagreeing with riddick that fields is going to take this magical jump in year 4 with a new OC and another weapon.

 

[Enasic]

He’s quite clear about the shit show the Bears have been to this point handling Justin’s situation. The context of his argument is tough to dispute.

Sure, he’s right ….but this is the Jay cutler argument all over again. One side just thought he needed an offensive coach and more weapons. Then when Emery came in and got him all that, he was basically the same old Jay and performed relative to how he always did throughout his career.

 

[modo]

I didn’t say anything about Williams being automatically elite. More so, disagreeing with riddick that fields is going to take this magical jump in year 4 with a new OC and another weapon.

I don't think Riddick said that was going to take a magical leap. Riddick pointed out how Fields was steadily improving and that a staff that built a plan around Fields could help get more out of him.

 

[modo]

Sure, he’s right ….but this is the Jay cutler argument all over again. One side just thought he needed an offensive coach and more weapons. Then when Emery came in and got him all that, he was basically the same old Jay and performed relative to how he always did throughout his career.

Cutler hit a ceiling and stopped getting better, yet the Bears stuck with him....

Fields is still improving...

That's the difference.

What is Fields' ceiling we don't know.

 

[chi]

Reddick is a tool. He reminds me of Josh Lucas. All these talking heads do is regurgitate the same info. I’m beginning to think most scouts are full of shit.

 

[Toast88]

That’s a fantastic listen. Thank you for posting it.

I think the guys below should watch all of it. It cuts through so much nonsense you read on this board. Quite frankly, every Bear fan should give it a view.

@dbldrew
@DanielCCSBears
@Toast88

Thanks—good listen.

It’s fear-based philosophy that will keep the Bears from even trying for greatness, but good listen.

Here’s the deal: A lot of people advocating for “THE HAUL!!” are just assuming all those picks will turn out great. They’re doing the same thing they accuse the Williams supporters of doing.

1) Many of them are assuming you’ll get Marvin Harrison, Jr, plus two future first rounders. There’s almost no possible way that happens. If you trade down far enough to get 2 future 1st rounders, that’s too far down to get MHJ. If you only trade down a spot or two, that’s probably not far enough down to gather 2 future 1st rounders.

2) They’re assuming “THE HAUL!!” is “franchise making”. Let’s play this out: The Bears trade down to, say, the high single digits/low double digits and get 2 future 1st rounders. They use those picks on a DT, an edge rusher and, ok fine, a receiver (I have my doubts).

Fast forward a few years when you actually see the fruits of those picks, using THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. You have a great, young, developing DT, edge rusher and receiver. Meanwhile, by this point, you’re paying Fields $40 million a year, you’ve let JJ go because he’s getting too expensive, and you’re taking offers on DJ because he’s also getting expensive and you already have his young great replacement on your team.

^^Does any of this bring you into Super Bowl contention? Or does it just create a mediocre-team cycle?

And mind you, this is the best case scenario. The more likely scenario is “THE HAUL!!” a few years down the line turns into a couple of good players and a couple of busts. Nice haul. Was it worth it? Meanwhile you’re having to watch Stroud kill it in Houston and Williams potentially killing it in Washington or New England.

You still have a mediocre quarterback who’s 3rd or 4th in your division, but hey, at least you’re 9-8 and didn’t have to take a risk!


Bottom line: “THE HAUL!” is not the guarantee some people think it is. Neither is Williams. I acknowledge that. But I’d like my team to try instead of always being scared.

We’ve seen this team in recent years have all world defenses, Hall of Fame linebackers, All-Pro edge rushers, an offense full of skill position Pro Bowl playmakers.

And where has it gotten them?

You know what they haven’t had? A great quarterback.

I want a great quarterback.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Thanks—good listen.

It’s fear-based philosophy that will keep the Bears from even trying for greatness, but good listen.

Here’s the deal: A lot of people advocating for “THE HAUL!!” are just assuming all those picks will turn out great. They’re doing the same thing they accuse the Williams supporters of doing.

1) Many of them are assuming you’ll get Marvin Harrison, Jr, plus two future first rounders. There’s almost no possible way that happens. If you trade down far enough to get 2 future 1st rounders, that’s too far down to get MHJ. If you only trade down a spot or two, that’s probably not far enough down to gather 2 future 1st rounders.

2) They’re assuming “THE HAUL!!” is “franchise making”. Let’s play this out: The Bears trade down to, say, the high single digits/low double digits and get 2 future 1st rounders. They use those picks on a DT, an edge rusher and, ok fine, a receiver (I have my doubts).

Fast forward a few years when you actually see the fruits of those picks, using THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. You have a great, young, developing DT, edge rusher and receiver. Meanwhile, by this point, you’re paying Fields $40 million a year, you’ve let JJ go because he’s getting too expensive, and you’re taking offers on DJ because he’s also getting expensive and you already have his young great replacement on your team.

^^Does any of this bring you into Super Bowl contention? Or does it just create a mediocre-team cycle?

And mind you, this is the best case scenario. The more likely scenario is “THE HAUL!!” a few years down the line turns into a couple of good players and a couple of busts. Nice haul. Was it worth it? Meanwhile you’re having to watch Stroud kill it in Houston and Williams potentially killing it in Washington or New England.

You still have a mediocre quarterback who’s 3rd or 4th in your division, but hey, at least you’re 9-8 and didn’t have to take a risk!


Bottom line: “THE HAUL!” is not the guarantee some people think it is. Neither is Williams. I acknowledge that. But I’d like my team to try instead of always being scared.

We’ve seen this team in recent years have all world defenses, Hall of Fame linebackers, All-Pro edge rushers, an offense full of skill position Pro Bowl playmakers.

And where has it gotten them?

You know what they haven’t had? A great quarterback.

I want a great quarterback.

Didn't read your whole scenario because it is mjy-esque, but if the Bears trade down, I think the obvious target is the giants at 6

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Williams isn't automatically elite...

If he is its not going to be based on our observations here as fans get it wrong, a lot....almost as much as GMs.

No one thinks he automatically is….

 

[PrideisBears]

Thanks—good listen.

It’s fear-based philosophy that will keep the Bears from even trying for greatness, but good listen.

Here’s the deal: A lot of people advocating for “THE HAUL!!” are just assuming all those picks will turn out great. They’re doing the same thing they accuse the Williams supporters of doing.

1) Many of them are assuming you’ll get Marvin Harrison, Jr, plus two future first rounders. There’s almost no possible way that happens. If you trade down far enough to get 2 future 1st rounders, that’s too far down to get MHJ. If you only trade down a spot or two, that’s probably not far enough down to gather 2 future 1st rounders.

2) They’re assuming “THE HAUL!!” is “franchise making”. Let’s play this out: The Bears trade down to, say, the high single digits/low double digits and get 2 future 1st rounders. They use those picks on a DT, an edge rusher and, ok fine, a receiver (I have my doubts).

Fast forward a few years when you actually see the fruits of those picks, using THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. You have a great, young, developing DT, edge rusher and receiver. Meanwhile, by this point, you’re paying Fields $40 million a year, you’ve let JJ go because he’s getting too expensive, and you’re taking offers on DJ because he’s also getting expensive and you already have his young great replacement on your team.

^^Does any of this bring you into Super Bowl contention? Or does it just create a mediocre-team cycle?

And mind you, this is the best case scenario. The more likely scenario is “THE HAUL!!” a few years down the line turns into a couple of good players and a couple of busts. Nice haul. Was it worth it? Meanwhile you’re having to watch Stroud kill it in Houston and Williams potentially killing it in Washington or New England.

You still have a mediocre quarterback who’s 3rd or 4th in your division, but hey, at least you’re 9-8 and didn’t have to take a risk!


Bottom line: “THE HAUL!” is not the guarantee some people think it is. Neither is Williams. I acknowledge that. But I’d like my team to try instead of always being scared.

We’ve seen this team in recent years have all world defenses, Hall of Fame linebackers, All-Pro edge rushers, an offense full of skill position Pro Bowl playmakers.

And where has it gotten them?

You know what they haven’t had? A great quarterback.

I want a great quarterback.

You know I’ve been reading your post over for a bit and you just say the same shit but one thing sticks out to me. You keep bringing up the bears draft history as far as QBs in the first round and how often they’ve drafted thembut you never compare to other teams. Why is that?

 

[PrideisBears]

No one thinks he automatically is….

You clearly aren’t reading this forum

 

[playthrough2001]

Sure, he’s right ….but this is the Jay cutler argument all over again. One side just thought he needed an offensive coach and more weapons. Then when Emery came in and got him all that, he was basically the same old Jay and performed relative to how he always did throughout his career.

Fields isn’t Jay.

How about Steve Young? He was a dual threat QB that floundered around until he received proper coaching and had a real group of weapons. He’s a much better comparison than Jay Cutler.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Didn't read your whole scenario because it is mjy-esque, but if the Bears trade down, I think the obvious target is the giants at 6

Why? They just paid a QB that they can’t easily get rid of.

The obvious one to me is the Patriots so they can get one of the top 2.