Louis Riddick on Justin, OC, the Bears Draft Situation etc.

[BaBaBlacksheep]

You clearly aren’t reading this forum

Link? Quote? Who has said automatically?

 

[PrideisBears]

Why? They just paid a QB that they can’t easily get rid of.

The obvious one to me is the Patriots so they can get one of the top 2.

Why not just draft A QB again until they “get it right”?

 

[DeerBrinker34]

Cutler hit a ceiling and stopped getting better, yet the Bears stuck with him....

Fields is still improving...

That's the difference.

What is Fields' ceiling we don't know.

Where are the improvements?

Folks point to the Atlanta game but for every Atlanta game there's a AZ game, a CLE game, a KC game, a GB game...

My confusion in Fields good games is how to go about divvying up the credit? Fields-Fanatics give 110% of the credit to Fields when he's good and pile on the OL/OC/Not enough weapons etc when he's bad. How do you find a happy medium in the blame game?

 

[PrideisBears]

Link? Quote? Who has said automatically?

@gmoney1994
And I’ll definitely look for more. There’s so many damn threads about the same topic and no order…..

 

[Toast88]

Poles doesn’t need to create an “out” for Fields in the future. He already did that last year.

This year’s draft is the “out”. He already gave Justin his chance. He didn’t make the most of it.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Why not just draft A QB again until they “get it right”?

Because they’ve already financially fucked themselves by signing the wrong QB. Now you’re suggesting they **** themselves by trading away a bunch of picks too. Doesn’t seem smart.

 

[PrideisBears]

Because they’ve already financially fucked themselves by signing the wrong QB. Now you’re suggesting they **** themselves by trading away a bunch of picks too. Doesn’t seem smart.

So? If they get “their guy” shouldn’t it be an automatic improvement on that team? Look at Stroud, he has nobody on his team and has carried the Texans

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Cutler hit a ceiling and stopped getting better, yet the Bears stuck with him....

Fields is still improving...

That's the difference.

What is Fields' ceiling we don't know.

That’s like handing a midget in jr high a basketball.

“He’s still growing!!!!”

 

[playthrough2001]

Thanks—good listen.

It’s fear-based philosophy that will keep the Bears from even trying for greatness, but good listen.

Here’s the deal: A lot of people advocating for “THE HAUL!!” are just assuming all those picks will turn out great. They’re doing the same thing they accuse the Williams supporters of doing.

1) Many of them are assuming you’ll get Marvin Harrison, Jr, plus two future first rounders. There’s almost no possible way that happens. If you trade down far enough to get 2 future 1st rounders, that’s too far down to get MHJ. If you only trade down a spot or two, that’s probably not far enough down to gather 2 future 1st rounders.

2) They’re assuming “THE HAUL!!” is “franchise making”. Let’s play this out: The Bears trade down to, say, the high single digits/low double digits and get 2 future 1st rounders. They use those picks on a DT, an edge rusher and, ok fine, a receiver (I have my doubts).

Fast forward a few years when you actually see the fruits of those picks, using THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. You have a great, young, developing DT, edge rusher and receiver. Meanwhile, by this point, you’re paying Fields $40 million a year, you’ve let JJ go because he’s getting too expensive, and you’re taking offers on DJ because he’s also getting expensive and you already have his young great replacement on your team.

^^Does any of this bring you into Super Bowl contention? Or does it just create a mediocre-team cycle?

And mind you, this is the best case scenario. The more likely scenario is “THE HAUL!!” a few years down the line turns into a couple of good players and a couple of busts. Nice haul. Was it worth it? Meanwhile you’re having to watch Stroud kill it in Houston and Williams potentially killing it in Washington or New England.

You still have a mediocre quarterback who’s 3rd or 4th in your division, but hey, at least you’re 9-8 and didn’t have to take a risk!


Bottom line: “THE HAUL!” is not the guarantee some people think it is. Neither is Williams. I acknowledge that. But I’d like my team to try instead of always being scared.

We’ve seen this team in recent years have all world defenses, Hall of Fame linebackers, All-Pro edge rushers, an offense full of skill position Pro Bowl playmakers.

And where has it gotten them?

You know what they haven’t had? A great quarterback.

I want a great quarterback.

Your scenario blows up if Justin prospers with proper coaching and support. Plus, you have zero idea of what the market will be for the number one pick.

If Williams is viewed as a great QB, the price will be astronomical no matter how far they trade down.

 

[PrideisBears]

Poles doesn’t need to create an “out” for Fields in the future. He already did that last year.

This year’s draft is the “out”. He already gave Justin his chance. He didn’t make the most of it.

Didn’t he literally destroy the roster the year before? Wasn’t fields throwing to St Brown and Dante Petits?

 

[PrideisBears]

That’s like handing a midget in jr high a basketball.

“He’s still growing!!!!”

Someone failed genetics

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

So? If they get “their guy” shouldn’t it be an automatic improvement on that team? Look at Stroud, he has nobody on his team and has carried the Texans

All depends on the trade package I guess.

 

[PrideisBears]

All depends on the trade package I guess.

Does it? Whatever it takes to get a generational QB. Since he’s generational he should automatically improve the Giants. They really don’t need much if they have a QB who can be elite

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Why? They just paid a QB that they can’t easily get rid of.

The obvious one to me is the Patriots so they can get one of the top 2.

Because he's awful and they'll be moving on next year. And it'd leave you in nabers range while maximizing the return

 

[modo]

Where are the improvements?

Folks point to the Atlanta game but for every Atlanta game there's a AZ game, a CLE game, a KC game, a GB game...

My confusion in Fields good games is how to go about divvying up the credit? Fields-Fanatics give 110% of the credit to Fields when he's good and pile on the OL/OC/Not enough weapons etc when he's bad. How do you find a happy medium in the blame game?

I believe from people talking about Fields making the right decisions on passing, accuracy, and proper checkdowns.

His passer rating getting better, Bears scoring more points per game. Lots of things adding up.

 

[doctorbear]

Sure, he’s right ….but this is the Jay cutler argument all over again. One side just thought he needed an offensive coach and more weapons. Then when Emery came in and got him all that, he was basically the same old Jay and performed relative to how he always did throughout his career.

Uhhh he got him some Canadian dude?

Maybe if he got Bruce Arians, and he played like shit, you can make that argument. Not some XFL weirdo

Cutler was tremendously better than Fields and likely would've been way better if he was in the right situation

 

[Toast88]

Your scenario blows up if Justin prospers with proper coaching and support. Plus, you have zero idea of what the market will be for the number one pick.

If Williams is viewed as a great QB, the price will be astronomical no matter how far they trade down.

If moving down 1 or 2 spots gets you 2 future 1st rounders, you need to ask yourself what these teams are seeing that you’re not, especially since you missed on Stroud and the Bears are historically terrible at QB evaluation.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Because he's awful and they'll be moving on next year. And it'd leave you in nabers range while maximizing the return

I get it from the Bears point of view. I’d be shocked if the Giants did it.

 

[PrideisBears]

If moving down 1 or 2 spots gets you 2 future 1st rounders, you need to ask yourself what these teams are seeing that you’re not, especially since you missed on Stroud and the Bears are historically terrible at QB evaluation.

For every Stroud there’s about 30 examples of it not working out. I get wanted to draft a QB but stop trying to use Stroud as the definitive answer

 

[doctorbear]

Cutler hit a ceiling and stopped getting better, yet the Bears stuck with him....

Fields is still improving...

That's the difference.

What is Fields' ceiling we don't know.

Maybe one day he'll play as well as Minshew