Lovie to Houston

[run and shoot]

You're welcome. The sad thing is Smith never really got a chance to have a 1st round Qb in Winston. Of course Dirk Koetter. did nothing and was fired in 2yrs

Sad for Lovie? LOFL.

Lovie's record as HC recently: (but he's a good man)
Illinois 17-39
Tampa Bay 8-24

1. What would Lovie do with a QB? he is/was never involved in any offense in any shape or form.
2. Lovie either couldn't find and attract a decent OC, or he wouldn't intentionally because he feared hiring his replacement - you choose. His atrocious record of hiring coordinators alone should be enough to disqualify him from serious consideration
3. Contrary to your prior assertion that Lovie just needed a decent QB to win a SB, the truth is Lovie grabbed the coattails of Devin Hester + a generational D that JA assembled. And that season they mostly just bum-slayed and lucked into facing a bunch of backup QBs. He Forrest Gumped his way to the SB.
4. How can any Bears fans support a one-system DC masquerading as a HC , a guy that would not make any in-game adjustments. A stubborn and simple man, one so dogmatic he kept proclaiming that we "get off the bus running" while Ced-Ben was at a 3.2YPC.

Contrary to your prior assertion that Lovie just needed a decent QB to win a SB, the truth is Lovie grabbed the coattails of Devin Hester + a generational D that JA assembled. And that season they mostly just bum-slayed and lucked into facing a bunch of backup QBs. He Forrest Gumped his way to the SB.

Don't do this to Baron von Raschke. Anyway......

Say what u will. The common denominator for winning HC's is a good Qb, Smith never had one, Belicheck didn't have a Qb in Cleveland and was ultimately fired. He got a Qb in N.E. and I think u know what happened next.

JA did his job ( never found a Qb though). What you're saying makes no sense. You're faulting Smith for having Devin Hester + a generational D. A defense he coached & crafted around their talent. He won and got to SB.

LOL..... what's next "well if the guy wasn't wearing rubber boots that he bought for the winter, his feet would've got cold and wet." Or...."that plummer doesn't a wrench to do good job. He could use his fingers and twist the bolts" ?

But keep faulting Smith

 

[mecha]

Sad for Lovie? LOFL.

Lovie's record as HC recently: (but he's a good man)
Illinois 17-39
Tampa Bay 8-24

1. What would Lovie do with a QB? he is/was never involved in any offense in any shape or form.
2. Lovie either couldn't find and attract a decent OC, or he wouldn't intentionally because he feared hiring his replacement - you choose. His atrocious record of hiring coordinators alone should be enough to disqualify him from serious consideration
3. Contrary to your prior assertion that Lovie just needed a decent QB to win a SB, the truth is Lovie grabbed the coattails of Devin Hester + a generational D that JA assembled. And that season they mostly just bum-slayed and lucked into facing a bunch of backup QBs. He Forrest Gumped his way to the SB.
4. How can any Bears fans support a one-system DC masquerading as a HC , a guy that would not make any in-game adjustments. A stubborn and simple man, one so dogmatic he kept proclaiming that we "get off the bus running" while Ced-Ben was at a 3.2YPC.

lol, bum-slayed. that's the 2012 campaign in a nutshell. surprised you didn't cite him getting omgfired for a 10-6 season of beating no one. if you all thought 2012 was low, imagine him getting a crack at 2013. he will have been the coach of the team for 10 seasons then, and I ensure you things would've gotten pretty dark with the impending player turnover. the Emery/Lovie Smith experiment is one side of the coin, Emery/Trestman was just the other side of it. the team was never balanced on both sides of the ball. that's why they couldn't win the big one.

the 2006 Super Bowl only required competence at the quarterback position (recognizing that your quarterback couldn't fucking pass in snow or even dry weather and say hey, let's not have him throw in rain) and Thomas Jones instead of Cedric Benson and they had that game won. so even Lovie Smith had Matt Nagy syndrome, except he wasn't the mastermind behind necessarily fucking that up because he's so infamous for being hands off with offense. he just had a bunch of mutt knuckleheads running his offenses because that's where offensive coordinators went to die. don't believe me? Turner, Martz, and Tice were never OCs again after Lovie Smith. I don't give a shit about the Lovie Bucs to do a statistical analysis deep dive on what happened later. he just had the common sense to bench the giraffe I guess.

I don't give a shit what the Houston Texans do. 20 years later, I'm still baffled the team exists.

 

[RacerX]

lol, bum-slayed. that's the 2012 campaign in a nutshell. surprised you didn't cite him getting omgfired for a 10-6 season of beating no one. if you all thought 2012 was low, imagine him getting a crack at 2013. he will have been the coach of the team for 10 seasons then, and I ensure you things would've gotten pretty dark with the impending player turnover. the Emery/Lovie Smith experiment is one side of the coin, Emery/Trestman was just the other side of it. the team was never balanced on both sides of the ball. that's why they couldn't win the big one.

the 2006 Super Bowl only required competence at the quarterback position (recognizing that your quarterback couldn't fucking pass in snow or even dry weather and say hey, let's not have him throw in rain) and Thomas Jones instead of Cedric Benson and they had that game won. so even Lovie Smith had Matt Nagy syndrome, except he wasn't the mastermind behind necessarily fucking that up because he's so infamous for being hands off with offense. he just had a bunch of mutt knuckleheads running his offenses because that's where offensive coordinators went to die. don't believe me? Turner, Martz, and Tice were never OCs again after Lovie Smith. I don't give a shit about the Lovie Bucs to do a statistical analysis deep dive on what happened later. he just had the common sense to bench the giraffe I guess.

I don't give a shit what the Houston Texans do. 20 years later, I'm still baffled the team exists.

This underscores my point. No good, let alone great, HCs are 100% hands-off either side of the ball and also make joke hires to fill the coordinator position.

His hands-off failures with the O are not an excuse for his performance, rather its his legacy.

 

[RacerX]

Don't do this to Baron von Raschke. Anyway......

Say what u will. The common denominator for winning HC's is a good Qb, Smith never had one, Belicheck didn't have a Qb in Cleveland and was ultimately fired. He got a Qb in N.E. and I think u know what happened next.

JA did his job ( never found a Qb though). What you're saying makes no sense. You're faulting Smith for having Devin Hester + a generational D. A defense he coached & crafted around their talent. He won and got to SB.

LOL..... what's next "well if the guy wasn't wearing rubber boots that he bought for the winter, his feet would've got cold and wet." Or...."that plummer doesn't a wrench to do good job. He could use his fingers and twist the bolts" ?

But keep faulting Smith

Where did I fault Lovie? All I pointed out is that he is a failed HC that is massively over-admired by Bears fans because in one season he Forrest Gumped a SB appearance.

You brought up Belichick with the inference being the only diff between BB and Lovie is that BB had Tom Brady. Didn't BB just win 10 games with a rookie QB? How does Lovie's coaching tree compare with BB's? Do not even mention the two names in the same context please.

Finally, I am not faulting Lovie for having Hester and a generational D in order to get to the SB, my point is that those were the only reasons they got that far, and Lovie and his band of moran O coaches held them back from winning. He's a damn wooden Indian whether you admire him or not.

 

[DeathByBears]

Tampa-2 is a dinosaur defense. I firmly believe they wanted McCown but couldn’t hire him after the lawsuit so they went with Lovie at the last minute. There’s no way you fire Culley for Lovie, it’s illogical. There’s zero upside. Why not just have hired him in the first place?

 

[mattb78]

The cover 2 is dated because you need a generational talent on the front 4 to get consistent pressure.

And the good QBs just eat you alive when you don't.

Why the 3-4 is back in vogue. A better chance of confusing the OL and getting pressure that way.

 

[Myk]

If Lovie Smith had a franchise QB

If Lovie wouldn't have spent his time sticking up for and starting the worst QB on the team he might have won a SB.
You can't say if he had something that he had a hand in not having.

He's great at D, he's completely lost at O.

 

[remydat]

The cover 2 is dated because you need a generational talent on the front 4 to get consistent pressure.

And the good QBs just eat you alive when you don't.

Why the 3-4 is back in vogue. A better chance of confusing the OL and getting pressure that way.

This is quite silly. Eberflus runs the same defense. His D lead the league in turnovers. Frazier runs the same D as well and his D was ranked 2nd in the NFL. The Cover 2 also was the defense where Mahomes struggled early in the year against as it took away his ability to get the ball to Hill deep. The Bengals also used a mix of Cover 2, Single Hi and Cover 3 to stop Mahomes in the 2nd half.

 

[Bust]

Tampa-2 is a dinosaur defense. I firmly believe they wanted McCown but couldn’t hire him after the lawsuit so they went with Lovie at the last minute. There’s no way you fire Culley for Lovie, it’s illogical. There’s zero upside. Why not just have hired him in the first place?

Tampa 2 is what the Bucs played from start to finish in the superbowl to wtf pwn Patrick Mahomes . . .

 

[vabearsfan15]

Sorry, but does anyone else feel the NFL "advised" the Texans to do this after the whole Brian Flores lawsuit.

Now there is a headline going around that Lovie is the first black head coach of 3 different NFL teams.

Maybe this will pay some dividends for them in the future when it comes time to discerning Watson's future in the league.

Sorry, but this is more plausible than believing the Texans actually decided to hire Lovie, who I love as a person, but is past his prime. His tenure both in Tampa and at Illinois were a debacle. Don't see it being much different in Houston. He is already set up to fail. But I wish him the best.

 

[run and shoot]

lol, bum-slayed. that's the 2012 campaign in a nutshell. surprised you didn't cite him getting omgfired for a 10-6 season of beating no one. if you all thought 2012 was low, imagine him getting a crack at 2013. he will have been the coach of the team for 10 seasons then, and I ensure you things would've gotten pretty dark with the impending player turnover. the Emery/Lovie Smith experiment is one side of the coin, Emery/Trestman was just the other side of it. the team was never balanced on both sides of the ball. that's why they couldn't win the big one.

the 2006 Super Bowl only required competence at the quarterback position (recognizing that your quarterback couldn't fucking pass in snow or even dry weather and say hey, let's not have him throw in rain) and Thomas Jones instead of Cedric Benson and they had that game won. so even Lovie Smith had Matt Nagy syndrome, except he wasn't the mastermind behind necessarily fucking that up because he's so infamous for being hands off with offense. he just had a bunch of mutt knuckleheads running his offenses because that's where offensive coordinators went to die. don't believe me? Turner, Martz, and Tice were never OCs again after Lovie Smith. I don't give a shit about the Lovie Bucs to do a statistical analysis deep dive on what happened later. he just had the common sense to bench the giraffe I guess.

I don't give a shit what the Houston Texans do. 20 years later, I'm still baffled the team exists.

Part of Smith's tenure was spent trying to overcome loser cutler.

 

[run and shoot]

Sorry, but does anyone else feel the NFL "advised" the Texans to do this after the whole Brian Flores lawsuit.

Now there is a headline going around that Lovie is the first black head coach of 3 different NFL teams.

Maybe this will pay some dividends for them in the future when it comes time to discerning Watson's future in the league.

Sorry, but this is more plausible than believing the Texans actually decided to hire Lovie, who I love as a person, but is past his prime. His tenure both in Tampa and at Illinois were a debacle. Don't see it being much different in Houston. He is already set up to fail. But I wish him the best.

How Smith does is gonna depend on how well Davis Mills develops under Pep Hamilton.

 

[run and shoot]

Don't do this to Baron von Raschke. Anyway......

Say what u will. The common denominator for winning HC's is a good Qb, Smith never had one, Belicheck didn't have a Qb in Cleveland and was ultimately fired. He got a Qb in N.E. and I think u know what happened next.

JA did his job ( never found a Qb though). What you're saying makes no sense. You're faulting Smith for having Devin Hester + a generational D. A defense he coached & crafted around their talent. He won and got to SB.

LOL..... what's next "well if the guy wasn't wearing rubber boots that he bought for the winter, his feet would've got cold and wet." Or...."that plummer doesn't a wrench to do good job. He could use his fingers and twist the bolts" ?

But keep faulting Smith

Where did I fault Lovie? All I pointed out is that he is a failed HC that is massively over-admired by Bears fans because in one season he Forrest Gumped a SB appearance.

You brought up Belichick with the inference being the only diff between BB and Lovie is that BB had Tom Brady. Didn't BB just win 10 games with a rookie QB? How does Lovie's coaching tree compare with BB's? Do not even mention the two names in the same context please.

Finally, I am not faulting Lovie for having Hester and a generational D in order to get to the SB, my point is that those were the only reasons they got that far, and Lovie and his band of moran O coaches held them back from winning. He's a damn wooden Indian whether you admire him or not.

LOL.....you're faulting and taking swipes at Smith all the way through. "Forrest Gumped a SB appearance."
Well he had a less than a Forrest Gumped Qb. I'll take several "Forrest Gumped a SB appearances." Thank u very much. What he did getting to a SB with Grossman proved he could coach and was a good coach.

My point with Belicheck was that he struggled without a Qb. Now as for Mac Jones, he's better than Grossman and infinitely more coachable and smarter than cutler . Yes I said it and I stand by it.
Also cutler kept getting OC's and Qb coaches fired.

Finally, I am not faulting Lovie for having Hester and a generational D in order to get to the SB, my point is that those were the only reasons they got that far, and Lovie and his band of moran O coaches held them back from winning

Sir.....you just indirectly proved my point about Smith's ability as a HC. Have good evening.

 

[RacerX]

LOL.....you're faulting and taking swipes at Smith all the way through. "Forrest Gumped a SB appearance."
Well he had a less than a Forrest Gumped Qb. I'll take several "Forrest Gumped a SB appearances." Thank u very much. What he did getting to a SB with Grossman proved he could coach and was a good coach.

My point with Belicheck was that he struggled without a Qb. Now as for Mac Jones, he's better than Grossman and infinitely more coachable and smarter than cutler . Yes I said it and I stand by it.
Also cutler kept getting OC's and Qb coaches fired.





Sir.....you just indirectly proved my point about Smith's ability as a HC. Have good evening.

Oy. I could not have proved your Lovie point because you never made one, all you have are excuses for a serial loser HC that gets canned at every stop.

Someone please help me understand, I mostly avoid the Bears forum cause of mass retardation, but what is up with this Run & Shoot brah? All I see is word-salad and fractured thoughts, his replies to every point or assertion I make are always several degrees off-topic and make zero sense.

Am I the only one with such experience with this poster?

 

[run and shoot]

Oy. I could not have proved your Lovie point because you never made one, all you have are excuses for a serial loser HC that gets canned at every stop.

Someone please help me understand, I mostly avoid the Bears forum cause of mass retardation, but what is up with this Run & Shoot brah? All I see is word-salad and fractured thoughts, his replies to every point or assertion I make are always several degrees off-topic and make zero sense.

Am I the only one with such experience with this poster?

Talk to me. I'll help u.

C'mon, I addressed your points with direct, solid answers. Copy & Paste anything u feel is....as u put it "word-salad and fractured thoughts, his replies to every point or assertion I make are always several degrees off-topic and make zero sense.". Again...... What ever u think needs to be re-addressed. Copy & Paste it.

You wanna lambaste the last Bear HC to get us too a SB. And call him a "serial loser HC"

Here's a full, sensible, on point fact:
Smith has a 89-87 overall NFL record. His Bear record is 81-63.
And he had a 10-6 record when he departed. ??

Again...... What ever u think needs to be re-addressed. Copy & Paste it.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

This underscores my point. No good, let alone great, HCs are 100% hands-off either side of the ball and also make joke hires to fill the coordinator position.

His hands-off failures with the O are not an excuse for his performance, rather its his legacy.

I remember watching some Vikings video where they were interviewing players and asking them who they thought was the biggest brown noser to Mike Zimmer. Whoever it was asked Sam Bradford and he goes, "I dunno, he doesn't really deal with the offense."

It absolutely made zero sense to me. I'm not sure how a HC can only focus on one side of the ball. Then it dawned on me that was Nagy, Trestman, and Lovie. Fox was just stealing money.

It's why I was glad to hear that Eberflus isn't going to be calling plays.

 

[vabearsfan15]

How Smith does is gonna depend on how well Davis Mills develops under Pep Hamilton.

Davis Mills LOL!! Exactly!! Lovie is set up to fail! Mills has a 100% of not working out regardless of who his coach is.

 

[Omeletpants]

That moron Lovie is not going to hire a DC. Just proves he will make the same mistakes he did in Chicago and pay zero attention to the Offense. This idiot is washed up

 

[DaaBears]

Davis Mills LOL!! Exactly!! Lovie is set up to fail! Mills has a 100% of not working out regardless of who his coach is.

I'm not so sure about that. You can make a strong case that he was at least the 2nd best rookie QB last year with little to work with.

 

[vabearsfan15]

I'm not so sure about that. You can make a strong case that he was at least the 2nd best rookie QB last year with little to work with.

That's not saying too much considering the circumstances of all the rookie QBs. But Davis Mills is a 2 TD: 1 INT type QB at best. He hit his peak in year 1. The ceiling doesn't get much higher.

Once tape is out on him and teams actually take the Texans seriously I doubt he ever does much more.