Marquess Wilson still in the mix at wide receiver

[PolarBear]

So conclusive and unanimously collaborative summary of thread:

1) Royal is mediocre and has never even been in the "pro bowler" discussion let alone making it. Which makes sense because he's always been, well... mediocre.
2) Despbro has a huge hard on for said mediocre receiver - and generally is too immature to let valid statistical and logical arguments set in.
3) #2 above is nothing new. Refer to his blistered knees and lips for Cutler.
4) Said mediocre receiver topped out as a rookie.
5) Papabear makes shit up to back his dumb arguments hoping legit Bears fans don't actually know the truth.
6) Wilson probably has a higher ceiling than said mediocre receiver who we likely paid way too much for. And will likely challenge Royal this preseason for #3.

7) The words "great" or "very good" should never be used to describe Royal on this forum again.

Thanks all.

- Mongo

Nobody thinks Eddie Royal is an elite WR by any means. I certainly don't. But he is an excellent option as a slot receiver. You cannot dispute that. 1300 yards and 15 TD's over the last two seasons from a player who predominantly plays in the slot is very solid.

Marquess Wilson hasn't proven anything as a WR in this league yet and he is no where near as capable a receiver in the slot. The love for a 7th rounder who has yet to put up numbers or stay healthy enough to make an impact is ridiculous.

 

[Mongo_76]

Nobody thinks Eddie Royal is an elite WR by any means. I certainly don't. But he is an excellent option as a slot receiver. You cannot dispute that. 1300 yards and 15 TD's over the last two seasons from a player who predominantly plays in the slot is very solid.

Marquess Wilson hasn't proven anything as a WR in this league yet and he is no where near as capable a receiver in the slot. The love for a 7th rounder who has yet to put up numbers or stay healthy enough to make an impact is ridiculous.

First, quickly look up why he slipped to the 7th round. Then, never bring that up again.

Second, when you know where a player's "top" is and it's not that good (as you noted) like Royal, and have potentially a high-ceiling player, and these 2 players are vying for #3 and #4, you should at least find out what you have.

If we were talking about these two players as our #1 and #2, it's probably a different story. But when you have the luxury of having Wilson and White as your workhorses, a team would be wise to really spend the time (especially in what is likely a complete shit season) to get a lot of looks.

 

[3rd N Long]

You mean he "ran" a 4.39 when he was 22...


Hester ran a 4.26

He still had Cutler (not) throwing to him

And now Hester has Matt Ryan not throwing to him...oh wait....Hester being a great WR because Ryan was throwing him the ball kinda took a shit by the end of 2015 season didn't it?

I could be wrong but maybe Hester inability to be a top notch WR is because he isn't a top notch WR?

 

[HeHateMe]

First, quickly look up why he slipped to the 7th round. Then, never bring that up again.

Second, when you know where a player's "top" is and it's not that good (as you noted) like Royal, and have potentially a high-ceiling player, and these 2 players are vying for #3 and #4, you should at least find out what you have.

If we were talking about these two players as our #1 and #2, it's probably a different story. But when you have the luxury of having Wilson and White as your workhorses, a team would be wise to really spend the time (especially in what is likely a complete shit season) to get a lot of looks.

That makes sense for managing a roster if u dont believe royal =superbowl...

 

[Mongo_76]

And now Hester has Matt Ryan not throwing to him...oh wait....Hester being a great WR because Ryan was throwing him the ball kinda took a shit by the end of 2015 season didn't it?

I could be wrong but maybe Hester inability to be a top notch WR is because he isn't a top notch WR?

Do you even know what you're arguing or are you just spouting off in your typical dumb ass Cutler-nut-hugging fashion?

My point was that just because Royal ran a 4.39, it doesn't mean he's a great receiver. Ie, Hester who we will never know what kind of a receiver he could have been (because his QB can't hit a speed receiver in stride), ran a 4.22.

 

[Mongo_76]

That makes sense for managing a roster if u dont believe royal =superbowl...

Excellent point.

 

[PolarBear]

First, quickly look up why he slipped to the 7th round. Then, never bring that up again.

Second, when you know where a player's "top" is and it's not that good (as you noted) like Royal, and have potentially a high-ceiling player, and these 2 players are vying for #3 and #4, you should at least find out what you have.

If we were talking about these two players as our #1 and #2, it's probably a different story. But when you have the luxury of having Wilson and White as your workhorses, a team would be wise to really spend the time (especially in what is likely a complete shit season) to get a lot of looks.

This is the NFL and there are surprise teams every single year who have strong seasons and go on to make the playoffs. I am not saying or guaranteeing that is going to be the Bears however, you field your best team every week and look to the future once you have been mathematically ruled out of a chance of a playoff appearance. That's when you can look at getting Wilson more involved. Until then, Eddie Royal gives the Bears the best chance to win from the get go.

Potential is great but that's the only argument you have for playing Wilson over Royal. Eddie Royal has the experience and the proof that he can be a playmaker in the NFL.

 

[3rd N Long]

Royal is a 5'-9", almost 30 year old, slower mediocre slot receiver who Cutler will probably ignore because he hates smurfs..

Just like Cutler did in Royal Rookie season and Cutler second full season as starting QB.

Royal stats were very mediocre.

90 receptions
129 targets
980 yards
5 TD

I know you said somewhere in this thread that he has been mediocre since his rookie season. Unfortunately for Royal his career took a major hit with the removal of Mike Shanahan & the trading of Cutler. Then again when trying to be objective, I always discount any reasoning as to why someone stats take a hit over the years.

 

[3rd N Long]

Do you even know what you're arguing or are you just spouting off in your typical dumb ass Cutler-nut-hugging fashion?

My point was that just because Royal ran a 4.39, it doesn't mean he's a great receiver. Ie, Hester who we will never know what kind of a receiver he could have been (because his QB can't hit a speed receiver in stride), ran a 4.22.

The fact that Cutler through to a 5'9" speedster like Royal quite frequently during his rookie year, to the tune of 90 receptions off 129 targets for 980 yards tells me all I need to know about the height crap & Cutler willingness to throw to a decent WR.

 

[botfly10]

You all need to stop fighting. Don't you see this is a game by the mods? They want us to fight each other! Winter is coming! The mods will defeat is easily if we don't ban together and stop them. We don't have much more time.

desbro is playing db54 with the mods, so that helps things

 

[Mongo_76]

This is the NFL and there are surprise teams every single year who have strong seasons and go on to make the playoffs. I am not saying or guaranteeing that is going to be the Bears however, you field your best team every week

100% agree with every single word above.

and look to the future once you have been mathematically ruled out of a chance of a playoff appearance.

That's when you can look at getting Wilson more involved. Until then, Eddie Royal gives the Bears the best chance to win from the get go.

Potential is great but that's the only argument you have for playing Wilson over Royal. Eddie Royal has the experience and the proof that he can be a playmaker in the NFL.

Here is where I disagree.

I don't think Royal is that guy. He's not a game changer. He's not the difference between making the playoffs or not.


I don't know if Wilson is better than Royal.

I honestly don't even think Wilson projects as a slot receiver.

But I'd definitely draw more 3 WR sets with Wilson in mind (not saying Royal won't get reps too) than banking on a very mediocre Royal as our savior.

 

[Mongo_76]

The fact that Cutler through to a 5'9" speedster like Royal quite frequently during his rookie year, to the tune of 90 receptions off 129 targets for 980 yards tells me all I need to know about the height crap & Cutler willingness to throw to a decent WR.

His rookie season tells you all you need to know while ignoring his other 8?

This explains a lot about you.

 

[Mongo_76]

Just like Cutler did in Royal Rookie season and Cutler second full season as starting QB.

Royal stats were very mediocre.

90 receptions
129 targets
980 yards
5 TD

I know you said somewhere in this thread that he has been mediocre since his rookie season. Unfortunately for Royal his career took a major hit with the removal of Mike Shanahan & the trading of Cutler. Then again when trying to be objective, I always discount any reasoning as to why someone stats take a hit over the years.

Wait...


Are you actually arguing that Royal has been mediocre since 2008 because he doesn't have Cutler throwing to him?

Holy hell...

 

[PolarBear]

100% agree with every single word above.



Here is where I disagree.

I don't think Royal is that guy. He's not a game changer. He's not the difference between making the playoffs or not.


I don't know if Wilson is better than Royal.

I honestly don't even think Wilson projects as a slot receiver.

But I'd definitely draw more 3 WR sets with Wilson in mind (not saying Royal won't get reps too) than banking on a very mediocre Royal as our savior.

Neither of these guys should be viewed as "saviors". It's not going to take one player to save this team. I feel like Eddie Royal will play the slot role much more effectively than Wilson will. You can't throw out 3 similar types of receivers. Eddie Royal is a guy who runs good routes, is elusive and is very good at finding holes in coverage. Wilson can't do that. He is more likely to win a jump ball on the outside or blow by his man but Royal is that dependable slot guy you look for on 3rd down who you know will get open and can get you a couple yards for a first down.

I am all for Wilson getting some reps here and there to mix things up but for most plays and especially on third downs, I want to see Eddie Royal out there.

 

[HeHateMe]

Wait...


Are you actually arguing that Royal has been mediocre since 2008 because he doesn't have Cutler throwing to him?

Holy hell...

I cant stop lol. This thread was intended to be optimistic, but rrgardless of intent, the kind of optimism im seeing is pure comedy. Eddie royal? Srs? Because cutler? :lmao:

i made a troll thread about cutler/royal being the solution when he got signed. These dudes are srs. Prolly same dudes that disliked me then. :lmao:

 

[Unannounced Fart]

Here is where I disagree.

I don't think Royal is that guy. He's not a game changer. He's not the difference between making the playoffs or not.


I don't know if Wilson is better than Royal.

I honestly don't even think Wilson projects as a slot receiver.

But I'd definitely draw more 3 WR sets with Wilson in mind (not saying Royal won't get reps too) than banking on a very mediocre Royal as our savior.

I definitely don't think Royal is a game changer, but he's a solid veteran guy to fill out the roster, and I believe he will prove to be a big asset to the team. And I agree with you that Wilson doesn't project as a slot receiver, I view him as a perimeter guy. Accordingly, Royal will have minimal impact on Wilson's playing time, as Wilson will stay on the perimeter. I still think Wilson will get a lot of snaps opposite Alshon b/c White will still be learning the NFL game.

 

[Bearly]

It's a nice mix and enough threats to give Royal some opportunities on 3rd down.

 

[dawags]

Don't know if Jay trusts Wilson enough to throw to him yet but his familiarity with Royal should guarantee that he throws to him more than he did to Santonio Holmes.

 

[Toast88]

I don't know if Wilson is better than Royal

I do. He's not.

At least not until there's a shred of evidence to show otherwise. I guess I don't understand this love for Wilson's "potential". It doesn't seem to be tied to anything tangible.

I hope Wilson succeeds just as much as the next guy, but I know the difference between real and imagined. The fact is, this board has had an imagined view of Wilson ever since he was drafted and Marshall talked him up.

 

[Toast88]

Wait...


Are you actually arguing that Royal has been mediocre since 2008 because he doesn't have Cutler throwing to him?

Holy hell...

It actually might makes sense in a weird way.

Yes, Cutler sucks. But his bad passes and reads ultimately have little negative effect on his receivers when he's asked to throw in bunches and targets only one or two guys. If you're one of those guys (say, Marshall), I could see how your years with Cutler would be super productive for you.