Mike Mayock's Top 5 QB's

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Quarterback

1. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
2. Deshaun Watson, Clemson
3. Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
4. Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech
5. Davis Webb, California

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785722/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings

I've read what Mayock thought of Kizer the other day, and it wasn't very good. He must really hate Watson/Trubisky to rank them below him.

 

[bearmick]

Same as my top 5 (except I have Watson and Kizer as 1a and 1b rather than 1 and 2).

 

[Da Coach]

If we draft a QB, I want Watson, Kizer or Webb

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[FirstTimer]

Quarterback

1. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
2. Deshaun Watson, Clemson
3. Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
4. Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech
5. Davis Webb, California

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785722/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings



I've read what Mayock thought of Kizer the other day, and it wasn't very good. He must really hate Watson/Trubisky to rank them below him.

Mayock's comments a few weeks ago were kind of ignorant in regards to some of the QB's. His comments about the Trubisky/Williams dynamic didn't really make sense. He had only watched by his own admission 3-5 games of each guy. Another example was his comment about Kizer being "removed" in the USC game comparing it to his temporary benching vs Stanford. Kizer was taken out vs USC so Zaire could get a few final snaps as a senior in a blowout. I think Zaire entered the game with maybe 2 minutes left. His opinions were of a guy who hadn't really deep dove the players yet, and that's fine. These boards might fluctuate a lot more as the process goes forward.

FWIW, Mayock is a guy I really like, respect, and enjoy listening to. He's also very well respected in scout and analyst circles.

 

[cubby chubby]

If we draft a QB, I want Watson, Kizer or Webb

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Not Davis Webb. There's never been a real NFL QB named Davis.

 

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Maycok's comments a few weeks ago were kind of ignorant in regards to some of the QB's. His comments about the Trubisky/Williams dynamic didn't really make sense. He had only watched by his own admission 3-5 games of each guy. Another example was his comment about Kizer being "removed" in the USC game comparing it to his temporary benching vs Stanford. Kizer was taken out vs USC so Zaire could get a few final snaps as a senior in a blowout. I think Zaire entered the game with maybe 2 minutes left. His opinions were of a guy who hadn't really deep dove the players yet, and that's fine. These boards might fluctuate a lot more as the process goes forward.

FWIW, Mayock is a guy I really like, respect, and enjoy listening to. He's also very well respected in scout and analyst circles.

I thought Kizer left due to injury in the USC game.

 

[FirstTimer]

I thought Kizer left due to injury in the USC game.

I'm pretty sure Kelly just pulled him for Zaire. Kizer may have been a little knicked up(had some bruised ribs) but IIRC he didn't exit strictly bc of injury. I think Kelly wanted to give Zaire a few final snaps as a senior.

He left the Va Tech game late because of an injury.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

I'm a little confused by his rankings this year.

He has Cook in front of Fournette
C. Davis ahead of M. Williams
F. Lamp ahead of C. Robinson
S. Jones ahead of M. Lattimore
McCaffery at #3 and Mixon at #5
Webb at #5 ahead of Kaaya.

 

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I'm a little confused by his rankings this year.

He has Cook in front of Fournette
C. Davis ahead of M. Williams
F. Lamp ahead of C. Robinson
S. Jones ahead of M. Lattimore
McCaffery at #3 and Mixon at #5
Webb at #5 ahead of Kaaya.

Yes, I hate his RB rankings. He may not have watched a lot of film on these guys yet like FirstTimer mentioned.

 

[bearmick]

I'm a little confused by his rankings this year.

He has Cook in front of Fournette
C. Davis ahead of M. Williams
F. Lamp ahead of C. Robinson
S. Jones ahead of M. Lattimore
McCaffery at #3 and Mixon at #5
Webb at #5 ahead of Kaaya.

I don't disagree with his opinions on most of these, particularly the bolded.

I've thought for a while that Davis and Cook would be the best WR and RB in this class.

Robinson has likely slipped because he's a right tackle in the NFL. Doesn't have very quick feet, total mauler in the run game but would get beat a lot by NFL teams' best rushers.

Webb over Kaaya likely because Kaaya, while accurate, is a statue and crubles under pressure. Webb has more to his overall game even if he doesn't quite have the accuracy of Kaaya.

I don't disagree with these at all.

 

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I don't disagree with his opinions on most of these, particularly the bolded.

I've thought for a while that Davis and Cook would be the best WR and RB in this class.

Robinson has likely slipped because he's a right tackle in the NFL. Doesn't have very quick feet, total mauler in the run game but would get beat a lot by NFL teams' best rushers.

Webb over Kaaya likely because Kaaya, while accurate, is a statue and crubles under pressure. Webb has more to his overall game even if he doesn't quite have the accuracy of Kaaya.

I don't disagree with these at all.

I strongly disagree on Fournette. He's the most dominant RB I've seen.

 

[Smokey Robinson]

I don't disagree with his opinions on most of these, particularly the bolded.

I've thought for a while that Davis and Cook would be the best WR and RB in this class.

Robinson has likely slipped because he's a right tackle in the NFL. Doesn't have very quick feet, total mauler in the run game but would get beat a lot by NFL teams' best rushers.

Webb over Kaaya likely because Kaaya, while accurate, is a statue and crubles under pressure. Webb has more to his overall game even if he doesn't quite have the accuracy of Kaaya.

I don't disagree with these at all.

Mayock doesn't even view Robinson as a tackle. Has him as second best guard. That says a lot. I remember a few wanting him at 3 lmao.

Agree on the rest as well. Cook vs Fournette is a debate. So is Davis and Williams.

Kaaya is fucking trash and deserves no mention.

 

[FirstTimer]

I strongly disagree on Fournette. He's the most dominant RB I've seen.

I tend to agree more with your post but projecting to the NFL is obviously an inexact science. Cook seems to be the more natural three down back and seems to project easier to today's NFL. Is Fournette a top 10 pick if he's an amped up Legarrette Blount/Derrick Henry? Is he a three down back in the NFL? I would personally have Fournette first on my RB board but I can see the discussion with Cook.

 

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I tend to agree more with your post but projecting to the NFL is obviously an inexact science. Cook seems to be the more natural three down back and seems to project easier to today's NFL. Is Fournette a top 10 pick if he's an amped up Legarrette Blount/Derrick Henry? Is he a three down back in the NFL? I would personally have Fournette first on my RB board but I can see the discussion with Cook.

I think Fournette is in the discussion as far as best player in the draft.

 

[FirstTimer]

I think Fournette is in the discussion as far as best player in the draft.

I feel the same way about Cook...and I have Fournette and him head to head....

 

[bearmick]

I like utility backs who can block and catch more than straight up between the tackles runners. Always liked Thurman more than Emmitt, Tomlinson more than Alexander, Forte more than Lynch, etc. Just a preference in the kind of player. I think Cook is going to be a really good NFL player. Not that Fournette won't, I just like Cook's overall skill set.

 

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I like utility backs who can block and catch more than straight up between the tackles runners. Always liked Thurman more than Emmitt, Tomlinson more than Alexander, Forte more than Lynch, etc. Just a preference in the kind of player. I think Cook is going to be a really good NFL player. Not that Fournette won't, I just like Cook's overall skill set.

If you like dual threat backs, I could argue that Mixon is better than Cook. But nobody is gonna rank Mixon that high knowing that all those other guys will definitely get picked before him.

 

[bearmick]

If you like dual threat backs, I could argue that Mixon is better than Cook.

Cool. I disagree, but whatever. My point was simply that I don't see the controversy in the head-to-head comparisons that Chicago Staleys pointed out.

 

[ZenBear34]

I strongly disagree on Fournette. He's the most dominant RB I've seen.

Then you obviously didn' see Barry Sanders in college.

Fournette is a beast. Without question. But running back's aren't worth high picks unless they are elite receivers. The position just doesn't have that much value.

 

[FirstTimer]

Then you obviously didn' see Barry Sanders in college.

Fournette is a beast. Without question. But running back's aren't worth high picks unless they are elite receivers. The position just doesn't have that much value.

And to be fair to Fournette he was rarely asked to do that at LSU. His workouts will be really important in that regard in terms of how natural he looks catching the football.