MJs speach

[Newskoolbulls]

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

 

[Kush77]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

Gotta disagree with ya NSB, I loved the way he called out Krause. Little bum.

Krause did say that organizations win championships. He said it at the start of training camp in 1997, right before the "Last Dance."

Krause is a jackass that let his ego get the best of him. He was so confident that he could build a title team without Jordan. How did that work out? Badly.

As for the freeze out, they did it to the best player ever and they got called out. It was all part of his motivation talk. It was great.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Kush77 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

Gotta disagree with ya NSB, I loved the way he called out Krause. Little bum.

Krause did say that organizations win championships. He said it at the start of training camp in 1997, right before the "Last Dance."

Krause is a jackass that let his ego get the best of him. He was so confident that he could build a title team without Jordan. How did that work out? Badly.

As for the freeze out, they did it to the best player ever and they got called out. It was all part of his motivation talk. It was great.

I just dont like the holding grudges things. I love MJ but I have alot of respect for Krause. It wasnt easy for Krause dealing with egos like he had to deal with.

 

[engies]

He was right to say that about Krause. Players win it, organizations put it together but players play and win. He said nothing that wasnt true

 

[clonetrooper264]

Really liked the speech. MJ is a pretty funny guy.

 

[Diddy1122]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

Seriously Newskool, reading the Jordan Rules really messed with your head.

Krause is the biggest d-bag in the universe. He did nothing for this organization other than trading for Pip & drafting Grant. Everyone else he got MJ made better than they would ever have been, plain & simple. And Krause DID say organizations win championships, I remember it clear as day. He didn't even want MJ to come back from retirement! He wanted so bad to prove to everyone that HE was the reason the Bulls won championships & not MJ. I still laugh every time I see that Krause banner hanging at the UC, what a friggin' joke.

I loved everything about the speech. It was Jordan being Jordan. If he had gone up there & been all humble & thanked everyone & said all nice things, it would've felt fake because it would've been fake. At the end of the day, MJ was the most competitive player in NBA history, who challenged himself, other players, & coaches everyday, & looked for any opportunity to prove just how great he was.

 

[mlewinth]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

No offense NewSkool, but how can you say that Krause did or did not say that organizations win championships?? You werent in the locker room? You werent even born yet!!!! Obviously MJ knows what went on behind closed doors. Also, Sam Smith said in The Jordan Rules that Krause said that and was overall cocky SOB. Jordan has every right to say whatever he wants, he is Michael Fucking JOrdan.

 

[houheffna]

Seriously Newskool, reading the Jordan Rules really messed with your head.

Krause is the biggest d-bag in the universe. He did nothing for this organization other than trading for Pip & drafting Grant. Everyone else he got MJ made better than they would ever have been, plain & simple. And Krause DID say organizations win championships, I remember it clear as day. He didn't even want MJ to come back from retirement! He wanted so bad to prove to everyone that HE was the reason the Bulls won championships & not MJ. I still laugh every time I see that Krause banner hanging at the UC, what a friggin' joke.

I loved everything about the speech. It was Jordan being Jordan. If he had gone up there & been all humble & thanked everyone & said all nice things, it would've felt fake because it would've been fake. At the end of the day, MJ was the most competitive player in NBA history, who challenged himself, other players, & coaches everyday, & looked for any opportunity to prove just how great he was.

I don't think what Jordan did was necessary. Krause did more than you stated. EVERY player Jordan won a championship with was bought in by Krause. EVERY coach that Jordan won with was bought in by Krause. Lets be fair about the situation. Krause discovered arguably the greatest coach in basketball history, and had to BEG coaches to allow him on their staff. I was just listening yesterday to Dan McNeil and Terry Boers talk about Krause and Boers stated that what is out there are all lies concerning the end of that dynasty, which I believe was at the end of their collective ropes anyway. Why would Jordan being gracious have been fake? He has shown class most of his career, this was a step below what he has done in the past. I looked at from two angles in another thread, but still, being gracious and respectable was an option. I wonder how people would feel if Richard Hamilton was to talk of Jordan in much the same way if he makes the Hall of Fame, that Jordan spoke of Krause? That would be interesting...

 

[Diddy1122]

houheffna wrote:

Seriously Newskool, reading the Jordan Rules really messed with your head.

Krause is the biggest d-bag in the universe. He did nothing for this organization other than trading for Pip & drafting Grant. Everyone else he got MJ made better than they would ever have been, plain & simple. And Krause DID say organizations win championships, I remember it clear as day. He didn't even want MJ to come back from retirement! He wanted so bad to prove to everyone that HE was the reason the Bulls won championships & not MJ. I still laugh every time I see that Krause banner hanging at the UC, what a friggin' joke.

I loved everything about the speech. It was Jordan being Jordan. If he had gone up there & been all humble & thanked everyone & said all nice things, it would've felt fake because it would've been fake. At the end of the day, MJ was the most competitive player in NBA history, who challenged himself, other players, & coaches everyday, & looked for any opportunity to prove just how great he was.

I don't think what Jordan did was necessary. Krause did more than you stated. EVERY player Jordan won a championship with was bought in by Krause. EVERY coach that Jordan won with was bought in by Krause. Lets be fair about the situation. Krause discovered arguably the greatest coach in basketball history, and had to BEG coaches to allow him on their staff. I was just listening yesterday to Dan McNeil and Terry Boers talk about Krause and Boers stated that what is out there are all lies concerning the end of that dynasty, which I believe was at the end of their collective ropes anyway. Why would Jordan being gracious have been fake? He has shown class most of his career, this was a step below what he has done in the past. I looked at from two angles in another thread, but still, being gracious and respectable was an option. I wonder how people would feel if Richard Hamilton was to talk of Jordan in much the same way if he makes the Hall of Fame, that Jordan spoke of Krause? That would be interesting...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Rip making the HOF. That'll never happen.

I stick by what I said. MJ has a big ego, but Krause's was even bigger. Yes I forgot to mention Jackson, which was big, drafting Toni & taking a chance on Rodman, but the fact remains, you could've put anyone next to MJ & Pip n they would be good. And he didn't even initially want MJ back after his 1st retirement. He wanted to build a team around Pip & Toni.

And MJ was still gracious, despite how most people took it. Dissing on Krause was probably his only asshole moment, & I thought it was deserved. And he still somewhat gave him credit for building the teams. That was his only misstep in my eyes. He should have just not mentioned him at all. He thanked everyone for lighting his competitive fire to make him the best ever. And there was lots of humor in there too. The best line of his speech, & the most telling of Jordan as a player & person, was when he referred to Van Gundy's comments about MJ conning players by acting friendly then attacking them in games.

"I just so happen to be a friendly guy. I get along with everybody, but at the same time, when the light comes on, I'm as competitive as anybody you know."

 

[Kush77]

I'll give credit to Krause for having a good night in June of 1987. And he did bring in Phil Jackson, but it all goes back to Jordan. Phil doesn't win 6 titles if it wasn't for Jordan. all those players Krause brought in were made winners because of Jordan. It's all because of Jordan, bottom line. The problem is that Crumbs thinks he deserves equal credit. He doesn't. He's made just as many god-awful moves and good ones.

And you know the funny thing, for all of Krause's marquee moves (Pippen, Grant, Jackson, and Kukoc) he manages to screw them up with his complete lack of people skills and his massive ego. Grant leaves as a free agent, bad relationship with the franchises second best player. Terrible relationship with one of the best coaches ever. And even with Kukoc, while a good draft pick, caused problems with the team by the way he handled the situation.

Krause wanted to build a title team so badly without MJ. how did it work. It started with Tim Floyd, nuff said.

Krause was also the same jackass that didn't want to give up the Bulls' 1995 first round pick to bring in Jeff Hornacek at the 1994 trade deadline. Krause's ego is so huge that he though he could find the next great player with the 23rd or 24th pick, whatever it was. So the Bulls don't get Hornacek and he goes to the Jazz. That move could have got the Bulls past NY and into the Finals without MJ. But you can't give up that draft pick that ended up being Jason Caffey. And who was drafted right after Caffey? Michael Finley. Good move Crumbs.

But to make up for not getting Hornacek, Krause signs Ron Harper to a huge contract (for 1995). Harper sucked and was a bust, UNTIL Michael Jordan came back. Then no one remembered how bad the Ron Harper deal was because everyone was happy to have MJ back and to be winning. The Harper contract would have been the end of Krause. If anything, Krause should be kissing MJ's feet because if it wasn't for him, Krause might not of held his post until 2003.

Krause really didn't do anything special IMO. Any decent GM could have built a title team around the greatest player in NBA history.

 

[Kush77]

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[Diddy1122]

Kush77 wrote:

I'll give credit to Krause for having a good night in June of 1987. And he did bring in Phil Jackson, but it all goes back to Jordan. Phil doesn't win 6 titles if it wasn't for Jordan. all those players Krause brought in were made winners because of Jordan. It's all because of Jordan, bottom line. The problem is that Crumbs thinks he deserves equal credit. He doesn't. He's made just as many god-awful moves and good ones.

And you know the funny thing, for all of Krause's marquee moves (Pippen, Grant, Jackson, and Kukoc) he manages to screw them up with his complete lack of people skills and his massive ego. Grant leaves as a free agent, bad relationship with the franchises second best player. Terrible relationship with one of the best coaches ever. And even with Kukoc, while a good draft pick, caused problems with the team by the way he handled the situation.

Krause wanted to build a title team so badly without MJ. how did it work. It started with Tim Floyd, nuff said.

Krause was also the same jackass that didn't want to give up the Bulls' 1995 first round pick to bring in Jeff Hornacek at the 1994 trade deadline. Krause's ego is so huge that he though he could find the next great player with the 23rd or 24th pick, whatever it was. So the Bulls don't get Hornacek and he goes to the Jazz. That move could have got the Bulls past NY and into the Finals without MJ. But you can't give up that draft pick that ended up being Jason Caffey. And who was drafted right after Caffey? Michael Finley. Good move Crumbs.

But to make up for not getting Hornacek, Krause signs Ron Harper to a huge contract (for 1995). Harper sucked and was a bust, UNTIL Michael Jordan came back. Then no one remembered how bad the Ron Harper deal was because everyone was happy to have MJ back and to be winning. The Harper contract would have been the end of Krause. If anything, Krause should be kissing MJ's feet because if it wasn't for him, Krause might not of held his post until 2003.

Krause really didn't do anything special IMO. Any decent GM could have built a title team around the greatest player in NBA history.

Amen! Thank you Kush.

 

[houheffna]

I'll give credit to Krause for having a good night in June of 1987. And he did bring in Phil Jackson, but it all goes back to Jordan. Phil doesn't win 6 titles if it wasn't for Jordan. all those players Krause brought in were made winners because of Jordan. It's all because of Jordan, bottom line. The problem is that Crumbs thinks he deserves equal credit. He doesn't. He's made just as many god-awful moves and good ones.

And you know the funny thing, for all of Krause's marquee moves (Pippen, Grant, Jackson, and Kukoc) he manages to screw them up with his complete lack of people skills and his massive ego. Grant leaves as a free agent, bad relationship with the franchises second best player. Terrible relationship with one of the best coaches ever. And even with Kukoc, while a good draft pick, caused problems with the team by the way he handled the situation.

Krause wanted to build a title team so badly without MJ. how did it work. It started with Tim Floyd, nuff said.

Krause was also the same jackass that didn't want to give up the Bulls' 1995 first round pick to bring in Jeff Hornacek at the 1994 trade deadline. Krause's ego is so huge that he though he could find the next great player with the 23rd or 24th pick, whatever it was. So the Bulls don't get Hornacek and he goes to the Jazz. That move could have got the Bulls past NY and into the Finals without MJ. But you can't give up that draft pick that ended up being Jason Caffey. And who was drafted right after Caffey? Michael Finley. Good move Crumbs.

But to make up for not getting Hornacek, Krause signs Ron Harper to a huge contract (for 1995). Harper sucked and was a bust, UNTIL Michael Jordan came back. Then no one remembered how bad the Ron Harper deal was because everyone was happy to have MJ back and to be winning. The Harper contract would have been the end of Krause. If anything, Krause should be kissing MJ's feet because if it wasn't for him, Krause might not of held his post until 2003.

Krause really didn't do anything special IMO. Any decent GM could have built a title team around the greatest player in NBA history.

So Krause was a decent GM? I can go with that. Again, I am not a Krause fan, but he didn't deserve that disrespect at that moment in my opinion. Calling him Crumbs is just mean spirited and the person who started calling him that didn't like being called a ****** by Ozzie Guillen.

Phil has 10 championships, he has proven that he can win and he is a great coach who shouldn't be slighted. This last year he won with just one great player. Phil deserves respect and his career stands on its own. Phil has won without Jordan, though it was with a "Jordanesque" type player in Kobe and a dominant talent for the ages like Shaq. Phil is a HOFer in his own right. And like Jordan, he has an immense ego.

Horace Grant's problems were with Reinsdorf moreso than Krause. To say he didn't do anything special is not true. Krause discovered the greatest coach in NBA history in the CBA wearing Birkenstocks and drafting Scottie Pippen was not just any move. GMs in this league would give a testicle to find a Pippen. Players like Pippen are extremely hard to find. Kukoc affirmed Krause's interest and aggressiveness in him by the way he played. To take away from what Krause did is simply not right. Krause made a fool of himself in the post-Jordan era but he should get his respect for what he did while Jordan was here.

 

[J-Mart]

The speech was awesome, completely agree with Kush. The part about Krause was a little personal, but who cares. MJ took a couple jabs but it was his day and the speech was a true reflection of who he was and I don't mean that as an insult. He has the world is against me mind set and thats what got him where he is today.

Very entertaining speech and I felt most of his jabs were in good fun. He showed everyone why he is the best and told us his motivation for getting there. He just told it how it was.

 

[TheStig]

Kush77 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

Gotta disagree with ya NSB, I loved the way he called out Krause. Little bum.

Krause did say that organizations win championships. He said it at the start of training camp in 1997, right before the "Last Dance."

Krause is a jackass that let his ego get the best of him. He was so confident that he could build a title team without Jordan. How did that work out? Badly.

As for the freeze out, they did it to the best player ever and they got called out. It was all part of his motivation talk. It was great.

I didn't hear the speech but Krause is right. Organizations do win championships, espically in this league. Just not his. Look at the Lakers and Celtics, they have won more rings than all the other teams combined. How many noncompetitive lakers teams do you remember in the last 30 years? A couple here, a couple there? Sorry but Organizations do win rings.

Now Krause in his case was wrong because his team didn't do anything past the dynasty but in general they do.

 

[??? ??????]

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

Gotta disagree with ya NSB, I loved the way he called out Krause. Little bum.

Krause did say that organizations win championships. He said it at the start of training camp in 1997, right before the "Last Dance."

Krause is a jackass that let his ego get the best of him. He was so confident that he could build a title team without Jordan. How did that work out? Badly.

As for the freeze out, they did it to the best player ever and they got called out. It was all part of his motivation talk. It was great.

I didn't hear the speech but Krause is right. Organizations do win championships, espically in this league. Just not his. Look at the Lakers and Celtics, they have won more rings than all the other teams combined. How many noncompetitive lakers teams do you remember in the last 30 years? A couple here, a couple there? Sorry but Organizations do win rings.

Now Krause in his case was wrong because his team didn't do anything past the dynasty but in general they do.

Krause should have expanded that to organizations willing to pay to keep their good players win championships.

 

[houheffna]

I never thought I would see the day that Rickey Henderson would give a classier speech than Jordan...

 

[Riker]

A lot of you on this forum are flat out insane without connections to real life and how things work in real life.

That's all I have to say.


About the speech - it was great. I kinda feel bad he didn't address the world hunger and ending the wars but that's ok. Also I don't know why didn't he address the health reform.

Maybe that dude Newschool will write a book on it..."Michael Jordan : And The Responsibilities He Didn't Take".

Yeah, it was embarassing watching him taking a trip down memory lane and telling a story on background on his motivation and inspiration to compete.


How generic.


He didn't even say that both teams played hard. Yeah, no class at all. I bet he beats his kids too.

 

[TheStig]

??? ?????? wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

Gotta disagree with ya NSB, I loved the way he called out Krause. Little bum.

Krause did say that organizations win championships. He said it at the start of training camp in 1997, right before the "Last Dance."

Krause is a jackass that let his ego get the best of him. He was so confident that he could build a title team without Jordan. How did that work out? Badly.

As for the freeze out, they did it to the best player ever and they got called out. It was all part of his motivation talk. It was great.

I didn't hear the speech but Krause is right. Organizations do win championships, espically in this league. Just not his. Look at the Lakers and Celtics, they have won more rings than all the other teams combined. How many noncompetitive lakers teams do you remember in the last 30 years? A couple here, a couple there? Sorry but Organizations do win rings.

Now Krause in his case was wrong because his team didn't do anything past the dynasty but in general they do.

Krause should have expanded that to organizations willing to pay to keep their good players win championships.

They weren't the only teams willing to pay. The knicks have had the highest payroll for the last 4-5 yrs and can't even get into the playoffs. I am sure others have out spent them. But the fact that the lakers got stars from elsewhere. Kareem, Oscar, Shaq, Kobe, and Gasol all came from other teams. The Celtics were more home grown but the Lakers really get business done. It really is organizations, espically before the bulls dynasty.

 

[??? ??????]

TheStig wrote:

??? ?????? wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

I loved it all except for his talk on Krause. He could have sqaushed it and made it good but no he had to take shots at him. Krause never said organizations win championships he said they were a big part of it. I cant believe how hated Krause is when Phil Jackson was a bigger dick than him. Krause is a legend for what he did and I hope he one day gets inducted. I also didnt like the freeze out talk in the all-star game, George Gervin looked upset.

Gotta disagree with ya NSB, I loved the way he called out Krause. Little bum.

Krause did say that organizations win championships. He said it at the start of training camp in 1997, right before the "Last Dance."

Krause is a jackass that let his ego get the best of him. He was so confident that he could build a title team without Jordan. How did that work out? Badly.

As for the freeze out, they did it to the best player ever and they got called out. It was all part of his motivation talk. It was great.

I didn't hear the speech but Krause is right. Organizations do win championships, espically in this league. Just not his. Look at the Lakers and Celtics, they have won more rings than all the other teams combined. How many noncompetitive lakers teams do you remember in the last 30 years? A couple here, a couple there? Sorry but Organizations do win rings.

Now Krause in his case was wrong because his team didn't do anything past the dynasty but in general they do.

Krause should have expanded that to organizations willing to pay to keep their good players win championships.

They weren't the only teams willing to pay. The knicks have had the highest payroll for the last 4-5 yrs and can't even get into the playoffs. I am sure others have out spent them. But the fact that the lakers got stars from elsewhere. Kareem, Oscar, Shaq, Kobe, and Gasol all came from other teams. The Celtics were more home grown but the Lakers really get business done. It really is organizations, espically before the bulls dynasty.

It takes smart management and spending money. You can't just throw money at crap and expect to win. But when you aren't willing to pay the luxury tax for Pau Gasol, you're franchise isn't probably going to be one that wins a championship unless you luck into a guy....like the GOAT.