More Illegal Immigration Talk

[supraman]

[quote name="IceHogsFan"]Lead Story on Fox News



Mexico's President Slams Arizona Law, Urges Congress to Pass Immigration Overhaul



WASHINGTON -- Mexican President Felipe Calderon on Thursday strongly denounced Arizona's new law clamping down on illegal immigrants and urged members of Congress to pass "comprehensive immigration reform."



In the first address to Congress by a foreign national leader this year, Calderon delivered a message that the two countries must cooperate to improve security along the often-violent border and control the flow of immigrants into the United States.



While Republican lawmakers welcomed Calderon's call for improved relations between the two countries, they jeered his lecture on how to fix the U.S. immigration system and his criticism of Arizona's new law.



"I think it's inappropriate for him to come in and criticize our law," Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, told Fox News. "When we go down to Mexico, we don't do that to the Mexicans."



"The Arizona law is not the problem," he added. "The problem is the growing violence down the border and securing the border and the Obama administration enforcing federal law."



In his remarks Thursday, Calderon said he is "convinced comprehensive immigration reform is crucial to securing our border."



"But I strongly disagree with the recently adopted law in Arizona," he said. "It's a law that not only ignores reality, but also introduces racial profiling as a basis for law enforcement."



Calderon said his "government does not favor the breaking of the rules" and that he respects the right of any country to "enact and enforce its own laws."



"But what we need today is to fix a broken and inefficient system," he said. "We favor the establishment of laws that work and work well for all."







http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05 ... -congress/



Not one mention of this story on CNN.[/quote]



Mexico has laws?

 

[mikita]

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Like it or not, the people that are going to enforece this are human, and they will profile someone else because they are just as prejudiced as the rest of humanity.

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Since the federal government will not tackle the immigration issue, I applaud Arizona for trying to address it. It's obvious to most people that something has to be done. I do, however, agree with you that they are going about this in the wrong way. I can see the courts striking this law down for the reasons you've specified.



Instead of having the police checking for citizenship, why not require proof of citizenship for employment in Arizona and require all employers to keep a record of such proof for each employee? Then the state could scrutinize the industries that are known to hire illegals and bring serious punishment. If illegals can't find work, they won't come here. Put the focus on those who enable illegal immigration, rather than policies that may violate the rights of actual citizens.

 

[Ymono37]

[quote name="mikita"]Instead of having the police checking for citizenship, why not require proof of citizenship for employment in Arizona and require all employers to keep a record of such proof for each employee? Then the state could scrutinize the industries that are known to hire illegals and bring serious punishment. If illegals can't find work, they won't come here. Put the focus on those who enable illegal immigration, rather than policies that may violate the rights of actual citizens.[/quote]Thank you, Mikita - for addressing the real issue behind this... I agree 100% with this.

 

[supraman]

Found this little gem on the Cinco de Mayo controversy



http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/20/navarrette.students.latinos/index.html?hpt=C2



Here's my thing he cites a lot of supreme court decisions. I hate to break it to you Mr. Navarrette the supreme court can be wrong and oh yeah is majorly politicized, I do not believe for a second they act in the interest and intent of the constitution. So therefore students have a constitutional right to free speech. Wearing the American Flag in America is part of that free speech and the day you can't wear the American flag in America because someone is offended is the day America died.



Get real, the kids were completely in the right. If the mexican kids had a problem with it and started any violence, send THEM home.



To side against those kids is just simply dumb.

 

[klemmer]

[quote name="mikita"]



Instead of having the police checking for citizenship, why not require proof of citizenship for employment in Arizona and require all employers to keep a record of such proof for each employee? Then the state could scrutinize the industries that are known to hire illegals and bring serious punishment. If illegals can't find work, they won't come here. Put the focus on those who enable illegal immigration, rather than policies that may violate the rights of actual citizens.[/quote]



I've had 4 jobs since the mid 80's, each has required me to provide them with my Social Security card and Driver's License...



Assuming (and I know what THAT does) that AZ employers do this, what's to stop a black market from popping up in green cards?



That said, I totally agree that the way to stop this is to hit those who employ these people. Hard.

 

[E Runs]

even though administrators had told students beforehand not to wear flag clothing that day

Why? What is so offensive or disruptive about wearing a shirt with the American flag on it?

 

[supraman]

[quote name="klemmer"]
[quote name="mikita"]



Instead of having the police checking for citizenship, why not require proof of citizenship for employment in Arizona and require all employers to keep a record of such proof for each employee? Then the state could scrutinize the industries that are known to hire illegals and bring serious punishment. If illegals can't find work, they won't come here. Put the focus on those who enable illegal immigration, rather than policies that may violate the rights of actual citizens.[/quote]



I've had 4 jobs since the mid 80's, each has required me to provide them with my Social Security card and Driver's License...



Assuming (and I know what THAT does) that AZ employers do this, what's to stop a black market from popping up in green cards?



That said, I totally agree that the way to stop this is to hit those who employ these people. Hard.[/quote]



Then why not come down on both then?

 

[supraman]

[quote name="E Runs"]

even though administrators had told students beforehand not to wear flag clothing that day

Why? What is so offensive or disruptive about wearing a shirt with the American flag on it?[/quote]



Because it is not okay to be proud to be an American in America. Viva La Mexico

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

[quote name="IceHogsFan"]The really sad thing is that when you give something away it is never appreciated as much as something you worked for to achieve.

I'm with you here.

It is also when of the things that really gets me upset is the lack of respect for our nation, our flag, our laws, our benefits and pride as a nation.

That's the beauty of this country. Our nation, flag and laws can be reasonably questioned. For now.

When you try to be all things to all people you dilute what you really stand for as a nation. We are a melting pot and a beacon to the rest of the world but that does not mean you are welcome to come here and do as you please with a lack of respect for what the rest of us have worked so hard to achieve.

Unless you're brown, black, tan, female, or ***. You can also add the Irish in the 1860s, Italians in the 1890s, and the jews that emigrated to this country from Nazi occupied Europe.

Our forefathers that immigrated here took pride in our nation, learned its history

by killing the natives and solidifying the english language

and language and many immediately jumped in defending our freedoms in the world wars. and falsely imprisoning Japanese American citizens

I am disheartened by those that think they are "entitled" no matter their reason.I'm with you again.[/quote]

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

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Why? What is so offensive or disruptive about wearing a shirt with the American flag on it?[/quote]

All those stars and stripes make it hard to get your learn on.