Lex L.
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Are you kidding? Youre the one who's trolling with your contrarian apologist nonsense. GTFO.
Are you kidding? Youre the one who's trolling with your contrarian apologist nonsense. GTFO.
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couldn't agree more...state your case and make a damn argument! I welcome debate and dissent...just have some type of factual basis behind your argument is all...
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Sorry Lex, this series is the way basketball was played back in the day & is meant to be played today. Tough, physical, & chippy. You can thank David Stern for the pussy league that we see today.
P.S. Na na-na boo boo, stick your head in doo-doo
P.S. Na na-na boo boo, stick your head in doo-doo
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And I am not down with the mental masturbation going on with the O.P. The Pacers are not playing dirty aside from two Jeff Foster hard fouls and a couple of sissy swipes from Dahntay Jones. But I don't even care about that. You have the right to express your opinion, and I have the right to say I disagree. And you have the right (for now) to irrationally and hypocritically name-call, and I have a right to call you out for acting like an asshole. Deal with it.
Lex L.
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No. Again, its not a matter of preferring the 90s style of NBA as much as its about one team playing like its the 90s and another team playing like its 2011. You cant have two teams playing by two seperate sets of rules. If they want to have this goonish style of play and go back to the 90s, they need to formally change the rules and put teams on notice. Thats not whats going on here. Its an issue of fairness.
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I for one dont think the pacers are dirty. But I do feel they're intentionally commiting hard fouls on rose. And the bigs and thibbs need to do something about it. The bigs need to start playing just as physical and thibs needs to figure out some ways to take some pressure off of rose. Maybe playing korver more, playing deng on paul george so he can be fresher on offense
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I completely agree about preference, but if the refs are calling a 90's style game, the Bulls are the ones that have to change, not the refs.
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This would make sense if the Bulls werent getting called for a lot of ticky tack fouls. The way its been is that on our fouls we take an ounce of their flesh but on their fouls, theyre taking a pound of flesh. Roughly the same number of fouls are being called but the difference has been the severity. Only their most severe are being called.
Its not like theyve been letting the small stuff go with us.
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Sup bro. Im kinda getting sick of the hate in the other forum
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Haha the Pacers are a bunch of scrappy white dudes, of course they're dirty. Tyler Hansbrough doesn't have enough talent to play a clean game.
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This place isn't anywhere near as bad as this thread makes it out to be. It's just Lex being a doucher.
This place isn't anywhere near as bad as this thread makes it out to be. It's just Lex being a doucher.
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I haven't seen Tyler Hansbrough commit a dirty play all series long. It's Jeff Foster who is the guy without much talent to speak of who has made those kind of plays 2 or 3 times. Josh McRoberts had that little elbow too but that's as far as it goes. I won't go as far as put the dirty label on them.
If we think that the Bulls are playing their best basketball in this series then I hate to think what the height for this team is. Boozer should be KILLING McRoberts, Hansbrough, and Foster. Deng should be penetrating the lane. Those things aren't happening...
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Oh yeah, and those slaps at the back of the head by Dahntay Jones. Whatever, I don't like those basketball plays either. And I'm not a fan of the flopping that Jones was doing either. But I still don't like to throw broad labels on a team because of that, like "dirty," and that's just something that annoys me.
My point is that you can't blame the officials for anything more than botching calls in favor of each team. And you can't get a technical foul for flopping.
The Bulls should be winning these games by more than they are. If they are truly playing their best basketball right now then I don't like their chances in the next rounds after this because the games aren't going to get any easier.
My point is that you can't blame the officials for anything more than botching calls in favor of each team. And you can't get a technical foul for flopping.
The Bulls should be winning these games by more than they are. If they are truly playing their best basketball right now then I don't like their chances in the next rounds after this because the games aren't going to get any easier.
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The pacers are doing exactly what they need to do to give themselves a chance. Muck the game up. They don't have the talent to win outright. The problem is the bulls are playing right in their hands. They need to get more physical themselves. And start returning the favor and send a message by fouling Danny Granger HARD. Especially gibson and thomas. In this series, they should never have games in which they don't finish with at least 4 fouls a piece. I would include asik, but for some strange reason, thibs wont play him.
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I've been preaching that the bulls need to get tougher since last year when in 2 games dwight howard clobberd rose and if I remember correct knocked him out of a game. And I posted that this was chris richard chance to solidify a spot on the roster by fouling (even flagrantly) howard and send a message to the league that thuggery wasn't gonna go down when you play the bulls
Bottom line is the bulls bigs need to grow a couple and protect rose.
Bottom line is the bulls bigs need to grow a couple and protect rose.
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Yeah, I agree. What is bothering me the most is the fact that Rose is getting trapped at the top of the key nearly every possession and yet he is still taking the VAST majority of the FG and FT attempts... that is not acceptable in my book. Deng and Boozer need to step up. Most of their FT attempts and points in the paint have come in the later portion of the 2nd half when they have been trying to get aggressive from behind and force a comeback. It has been Noah of all people who has been bailing them out... and it's so frustrating.
Thibodeau really has changed around his minute chart since the start of this series. Usually, at least 10 guys will get a chance to play at least 15 minutes. Now, the rotation has been cut down to essentially just 7 guys: Rose, Bogans, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Gibson, and Korver. I really think the Bulls heavily depend on Brewer's activeness in the passing lanes and athleticism and high percentage shots on offense. The chemistry is all off. Watson is that kind of a guy too but his minutes are also down. The Indi wings are really taking advantage of Korver and are going RIGHT at him. And on the other end, they are forcing Keith Bogans to shoot when he's in the game. I really want Ronnie Brewer's hand to heal and fast.
And yep, without Taj and Kurt Thomas in the game, the Bulls are lacking guys who aren't afraid to take good shots on offense and guys who will punish you on defense.
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in regards to the dirty comments, i wouldn't consider the pacers as a team "dirty." i would say that jeff foster is, but not the team as a whole. hansbrough has not shown me anything that you could call dirty so far. mcroberts had the elbow on derrick that was definitely a dirty play, but he's not a dirty player. i don't agree with rami that it's an ok basketball play, but i do agree that josh mcroberts is overall not a dirty player.
teams like the pacers and the bad boys pistons are very physical because honestly, they don't have the talent to stick with the other teams any other way. laimbeer, mahorn, they were not very skilled basketball players, or people in general. they made a living in the nba by taking people out, and that's what foster is trying to do in this situation. the difference between the two time world champion pistons and the 37-45 indiana pacers of course is that one had isiah thomas and joe dumars compared to danny granger and darren collison...
honestly, i'm not TOO bothered by the physical play IF:
1. derrick doesn't get injured
2. the bulls can play with the same level of physicality AND
3. derrick knocks down the easy free throws
hell this means the nba is worried about rose like they were worried about jordan! if rose can learn to play through the contact and score in new ways like jordan did, it can only help him in the long run.
teams like the pacers and the bad boys pistons are very physical because honestly, they don't have the talent to stick with the other teams any other way. laimbeer, mahorn, they were not very skilled basketball players, or people in general. they made a living in the nba by taking people out, and that's what foster is trying to do in this situation. the difference between the two time world champion pistons and the 37-45 indiana pacers of course is that one had isiah thomas and joe dumars compared to danny granger and darren collison...
honestly, i'm not TOO bothered by the physical play IF:
1. derrick doesn't get injured
2. the bulls can play with the same level of physicality AND
3. derrick knocks down the easy free throws
hell this means the nba is worried about rose like they were worried about jordan! if rose can learn to play through the contact and score in new ways like jordan did, it can only help him in the long run.
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Yeah man, this is why I really think it is unfair to make threads like these. I have never seen or heard of Josh McRoberts do anything dirty before this. That video clip is not proof that he or especially the Pacers are dirty. To me, I kind of will disagree with you. In basketball, sometimes players have kneejerk reactions like a little elbow. At first, I thought it was because Rose yelled something at him and hung on the rim. But then I was corrected right away in this topic that all Rose did was hung on the rim a little and then he yelled after the elbow. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal what McRoberts did because I could see myself having the same reaction if a guy was dunking on me on my homefloor. I would realize that I overreacted shortly after but that's what testosterone does. McRoberts obviously wasn't trying to hurt Rose. More like intimidate him with that gesture (it didn't even look like he followed through at all). If I was Rose, I probably would have kind of smirked to myself that I pissed off another opposing player and moved on.
It's not like I want to go back to the 80's/90's physicality or anything. I just want to see Boozer intimidate guys when he's out there. Especially when Jeff Foster (who, individually, has definitely committed non-basketball flagrant acts) fouls Rose and Deng hard. I was mad that Boozer didn't make Foster or Granger pay at the other end or at least get up in Foster's face after the hard fouls. But after that shit happened, I came on these boards and was irrate at Foster and lusting for his blood. But I was just happy the Bulls were up 3-0 because that is the sweetest revenge that they could have gotten.
And the whole issue of officiating is a complete side issue and I believe that has been unbiased though far from perfect.
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