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We can't run the ball because two of our starting linemen are playing like the worst at their position IN THE LEAGUE.
nuff said.
nuff said.
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Perhaps you missed where I said our OL sucks for sure at the very start. That does not change the fact that the scheme sucks for these OL. We had this argument last year when this was pointed out as part of the reason Howard sucked. Yall wanted to blame it all on Howard. Now when the run game still sucks suddenly it is just the OL's fault.
The simple fact is Nagy changed what wasn't broken and then broke it. The OL and run game was fine under Fox and with Howard. He wanted to run his gadget shit with more gap blocking and the OL has completely lost their identity. He wanted versatile running backs and Monty spends more time dancing than moving upfield.
This OL and run game has been mismanaged from the time Nagy took over and yall just now noticing it. So yes the OL sucks. But this is an epic failure of Nagy who thought he was smarter than everyone else and changed shit that really didn't need to be changed. All the boy genius had to do was keep the existing run game and blocking scheme and work on the passing game. Change gradually when you have the pieces to do so.
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The OL plays as a unit. With Long getting beat like a drum constantly, that has to make it hard for Daniels to adjust at Center. Which affects Whitehairs adjustment to LG, and even Leno at LT.
I want to see what happens when the situation on the interior gets straightened out before I start calling for Leno to be canned. I hope Nagy starts that process now in regards to Long. If he doesn't...may need a new HC as well...
I want to see what happens when the situation on the interior gets straightened out before I start calling for Leno to be canned. I hope Nagy starts that process now in regards to Long. If he doesn't...may need a new HC as well...
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Is that why cohen had a 4.5YPC last year bro
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how about instead of nagy breaking an oline.....the players got worse?
You know players do age, and when they do, they play like trash?
Once again, Sitton, Whitehair, Long were the best interior oline in the league.
Long has never been the same since 2017. Sitton is gone. Daniels while decent is no where near the player either were.
This is the major difference. Not scheme. Not anything. We had the best interior in football for two years. Now we have trash.
You know players do age, and when they do, they play like trash?
Once again, Sitton, Whitehair, Long were the best interior oline in the league.
Long has never been the same since 2017. Sitton is gone. Daniels while decent is no where near the player either were.
This is the major difference. Not scheme. Not anything. We had the best interior in football for two years. Now we have trash.
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Like...all you have to do is watch the oline this year and realize Nagy's scheme is not an issue.
You're just using the suckage this year to back up your stupid fucking Jordan Howard love from last year. Its annoying and stupid. No oline will be good if they dont get push. Doesn't matter if you run zone or gap.
And our oline was no where near as bad last year as they were this year. Montgomery would cum buckets if he saw the holes that Jordan Howard missed last year. Howard is succeeding in philly because their interior oline is making holes for him wider than a 60 year old hookers gaping vagina. Kinda sounds similar to when he succeeded in Chicago.
You're just using the suckage this year to back up your stupid fucking Jordan Howard love from last year. Its annoying and stupid. No oline will be good if they dont get push. Doesn't matter if you run zone or gap.
And our oline was no where near as bad last year as they were this year. Montgomery would cum buckets if he saw the holes that Jordan Howard missed last year. Howard is succeeding in philly because their interior oline is making holes for him wider than a 60 year old hookers gaping vagina. Kinda sounds similar to when he succeeded in Chicago.
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Bruh Kyle Long overturned turtle style and Leno's matador technique aint because the scheme
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It’s true some linemen fit better in certain schemes
But where’s the scapegoat for how many penalties our oline has accumulated? You can’t make one for that. They are playing really shitty and committing penalties to over come their shittiness
But where’s the scapegoat for how many penalties our oline has accumulated? You can’t make one for that. They are playing really shitty and committing penalties to over come their shittiness
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We already discussed this last year. Cohen gets most of his yards by improvising not because of good OL blocking. The dude rarely if ever hits the hold as designed. He simply bounces it outside and his yards are dependent on whether the Defense over pursued not the OL blocking. The difference this year is defenses aren't over pursuing as much as they did in the past.
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True so leno is the most penalized lineman in football and kyle long gets beat every play because of the scheme.
I keep hearing you say this is the same oline as the fox years. No, no its not.
I keep hearing you say this is the same oline as the fox years. No, no its not.
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Heard big cat saying this on the radio post game that Leno is so terrified of getting beat to the outside now that he's getting abused to the inside.
When your left tackle cant even stop an inside rush, bruh, you fuckt.
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Dan Marino also had a extremely quick release. Also we do a lotta plays from the shotgun. The OL doesn't get to fire off from the snap a lot. We need to have more plays from under center
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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2018
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019
Per PFF Howard's yards after contact in 2018 with Bears was 2.74. Monty's is 2.16. Their yards before contact then was 0.96 and 1.14. Interestingly enough, the yards after contact was 2.52 and yards before contact was 1.58 in 2017 and 2.98 and 2.22 in 2016. So the reality is the OL under Fox was simply better and got worse when Nagy came on board. Howard's yards after contact in 2018 was actually higher than Monty's in all 4 years. It is 3.17 in 2019. So yeah, Howard was never really the problem. The OL and Nagy's scheme was.
It is amazing how two completely independent sites can determine that the OL from last year run blocking wise was worse. You are blinded by your Howard hate and your ass kissing of Nagy.
Only one of us has independent analysis for our opinion and it is not you. Believe what you want but Nagy shit the bed. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Doesn't change the fact the OL still sucks as well.
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And to be clear, I am not saying that any of the linemen are individually great talents. Leno was a 7th round pick for a reason.
But with only rare exception, the quality of the players on the offensive line don't have much influence on the offense's performance.
This is on Nagy, Trubisky/Chase, and Hiestand.
But with only rare exception, the quality of the players on the offensive line don't have much influence on the offense's performance.
This is on Nagy, Trubisky/Chase, and Hiestand.
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This is nonsense.
The Bears have an OLmen in Long that is not blocking anyone and another in Leno who misses 50% of the time.
No scheme accounts for 2 OLmen getting ass whooped
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One of the things that made Denver's run offense so tough to stop was that modern outside zone blocking was essentially brand new, coaches and players hadn't really seen it before and so of course it provided a tremendous schematic advantage. Gibbs and Shanny provided a huge advantage which isn't really there today.
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Since the Fox era
-Leno got paid and phoned this season in.
-Long physically has turned to mush and he was the best lineman during the Fox era.
-Our TE position has continued to be a talentless backhole.
I do think the scheme has some issues that need to be worked out, but you cannot overcome 2 OLmen playing unbelievably bad.
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They are not helping.
But the Bears have 2 OLmen that need to be benched and they only have a replacement for 1 of them. Watch the tape Long is a one man saboteur right now. Even when they have a nice play call and other guys make their blocks he is getting destroyed.
I would agree if we were getting okay play out of the individual lineman.
LT: Pathetic
LG: Solid
C: Below Average but Improving
RG: Worse I Have ever Seen
RT: Below Average
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Except I am not talking about 2019 but 2018 as well. Howard went from 1.58 Yards before contact in 2017 to 0.96 in 2018. So the decline in the OL did not just happen in 2019.
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Yea, but our pass blocking was pretty exceptional last year. A top 10 unit.
This year they are horrid.
Once again. Sitton, Whitehair, Long was the best interior in football.
This is not the Fox oline.
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