Must-Take Guys at #8?

[Xplosive]

After looking at these prospects I feel the absolute best move is for Pace to get as many picks as possible in rounds 1-3. This would be the perfect time for Pace to be smart and take advantage of the QB market and lack of elite prospects, but multitude of very good prospects at need positions. I would love to see a trade down with Miami at #11 and then ANOTHER trade down with Arizona or Buffalo.

The only definite guy I see as must take at #8 instead of moving down, is Bradley Chubb with Saquon Barkley as a strong 1b.

 

[Visionman]

That's a recipe for a mediocre team, not an xplosive one....

 

[Speed]

I don't anticipate much of a market to trade down. Pretty confident 4 QB's will be gone before us. The only one I'm sure that'll be on the board still is Jackson who looks like a huge project.

 

[Chris Sojka]

I disagree Visionman.

You can be very explosive at multiple positions if you draft players that better fit your scheme instead of one impact guy you need to be stellar.

The PSU TE would make a great late first early second round pick. Hernandez would be a great guard. Sutton a very good WR with a plethora of top at their position players sliding due to the needs of other teams at the QB position.

Essentially there are 5 teams that desperately need a QB with 2 thinking they can find one in free agency. The catch here though is also that you have Rivers, Brady, Big Ben and Brees who are getting pretty old... This means you might see trade value from teams wanting to get back into the first that might see one of those teams looking to take a backup. Everyone seems to think you don’t draft a future QB when you already have your franchise QB. That has been the wrong strategy since forever. And just because players or organizations don’t publicly speak about retirement it doesn’t mean it isn’t being discussed in house.

This draft could solidify multiple positions with multiple talented explosive players if handled correctly. Tons of 1st round value in the second round this year

 

[kerschbs]

Chubb is really the only one I see. I love Minkah, if Fangio/Pace/Donatell think he can play CB I'd add him also. I want to say Nelson, but it looks like the G/C depth in this draft is pretty loaded.

 

[PickSix]

I’ll take Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, and Edmonds in that order if available. If none of those four are available, by all means trade away if there is a good dance partner.

 

[bearmick]

I would probably be ok with whatever they do at #8 other than Nelson (good guards available later and I don't want to use the 8th pick on a guard if there are potential impact players at CB/OLB/WR on the board) or Barkley (unless they can get something substantial for Howard in a trade).

Agree with the OP, it looks like a great year to trade down, if you can.

 

[Omeletpants]

Trade downs are for losers that dont have a plan.

This is about getting better players, not more players

 

[Hammer]

Pick #8

Tier 1 (must take) - OLB Chubb
Tier 2 (depending of Pace & Nagy plans) - RB Barkley, OG Nelson, trade down option
Tier 3 (best of the rest, but definitely not must take) - OLB Davenport, ILB Edmunds, R.Smith
Tier 4 (taking a player out of sheer desperation at position of need) - any WR

Plus we still need to see Fitzpatrick/J.Jackson/Ward performances at Combine drills to put them into proper tiers.

 

[bearmick]

Trade downs are for losers that dont have a plan.

This is about getting better players, not more players

I tend to agree generally, but if there's no-one they really want badly at #8 and they feel the value is better a little later, I don't have an issue with trading the pick. They only have two picks in the first three rounds as things stand and have a lot of positions where they need to get better.

 

[mattb78]

I don't think you can go into the draft looking to trade down at 8. Too much will happen in front of us to be certain. But if you see the opportunity, then you take it.

With the 49ers(9th) and Raiders (10th) behind us, I can't see a team giving us ridiculous value to move up ahead of those teams.

If we trade down, I think it will be that Tampa takes our pass rusher at #7, and the Bears don't value the 3rd best pass rusher at #8 overall.

Simply put, alot of things need to happen to make a trade down make sense.

 

[Myk]

Chubb, Barkley, Nelson, Fitzpatrick.
We're right on the edge of any of those making it to us.

I doubt we can trade down short enough to be worth it unless we're trading away one of the potential great ones. If someone wants a QB below us they'll want to move above #8.

 

[ILoveDick]

I don't get it. I heard all season long how the Bears were just a few WRs away...and now many posters are talking about trading out of the top ten. Traditionally, I'm not in favor of drafting WRs high because of the high bust rate. But c'mon, we are going to have a shot at the first WR taken in the whole draft.

 

[dabears70]

After looking at these prospects I feel the absolute best move is for Pace to get as many picks as possible in rounds 1-3. This would be the perfect time for Pace to be smart and take advantage of the QB market and lack of elite prospects, but multitude of very good prospects at need positions. I would love to see a trade down with Miami at #11 and then ANOTHER trade down with Arizona or Buffalo.

The only definite guy I see as must take at #8 instead of moving down, is Bradley Chubb with Saquon Barkley as a strong 1b.

I'm all about the trade down and collecting more picks and i'd trade down multiple times if i could. I think instead of taking a guy like Davenport or Edmunds at #8 that we could get some other OLB's that could be just as good or even better then either one of those two in the mid or later part of the draft in H.Landry who i thought had a great combine or S.Hubbard, D.Armstrong or L.Carter which you could probably get one or two of them with our pick at #39.

 

[bearmick]

I don't get it. I heard all season long how the Bears were just a few WRs away...and now many posters are talking about trading out of the top ten. Traditionally, I'm not in favor of drafting WRs high because of the high bust rate. But c'mon, we are going to have a shot at the first WR taken in the whole draft.

They're more than that away. They need another pass rusher badly, another CB, probably a couple of O linemen, couple of WRs, and also have to hope the QB gets better. Couple of good receivers isn't the difference between this team that's won 8 games in the last two years and a playoff team.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Trade downs are for losers that dont have a plan.

Answer the questions:

1. link to empirical data supporting your assertion
2. explain why the Bears' strategy should not be to trade up in each and every round, since you assert that the party trading down always loses, so why not take advantage of your analytics?

 

[msadows]

They're more than that away. They need another pass rusher badly, another CB, probably a couple of O linemen, couple of WRs, and also have to hope the QB gets better. Couple of good receivers isn't the difference between this team that's won 8 games in the last two years and a playoff team.

Actually, it kind of is.

You put a healthy Landry and Ridley on last years team and I'm pretty sure we win more than 5 games. We have a top 10 run O, top 10 D.

Yes we have holes, but every team has holes, even superbowl champs.

I know this is a hard concept to understand since we have had shit talent at QB forever, but if your QB has a nice surrounding cast and is a pro bowler, you make the playoffs every year.

Get mitch 2-3 nice toys, watch him flourish. Watch the bears not miss the playoffs for nearly a decade. Pretty simple equation.

 

[ILoveDick]

They're more than that away. They need another pass rusher badly, another CB, probably a couple of O linemen, couple of WRs, and also have to hope the QB gets better. Couple of good receivers isn't the difference between this team that's won 8 games in the last two years and a playoff team.

Oh, I agree, we are a bad team. I'm referencing what I heard posters say all season long. Now they want trade downs. To me, the GLARING deficiency is WR, so get a WR. People are over complicating things. Trading out of the top ten to get more 2nd & 3rd round picks? Are you kidding me?

It doesn't matter anyway because this is all message board GM talk. I HIGHLY doubt we trade down. Teams looking for QBs are going to have to trade up higher than the eight spot to get a coveted QB. When you got a top ten pick, just take a play-maker regardless of position.

 

[msadows]

If we got a good pass rusher, another CB, a couple of olineman, and 2x WR's we litterally would have a roster lacking of any serious holes. Hell, you could argue every position on the team would be average or better.

That would make you a LOT better than just a playoff team.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

But c'mon, we are going to have a shot at the first WR taken in the whole draft.

You do know that there is a difference between a true #1 receiver and the first WR taken in the whole draft, right?

If he were projected to be a true #1 receiver, he would be drafted in the top 5.