Nate Tice: Maye best QB prospect since Luck, has superior processing

[Toast88]

Really interesting listen here with Nate Tice on Hoge & Jahns.

Tice was one of the only people to nail CJ Stroud as the clear #1 QB in the 2023 Draft. When he talks QBs, it’s probably good to listen. (For what it’s worth, he said Fields had bust potential.)

He says quite a few interesting things in this episode:

-Maye is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck.
-He has superior processing ability and is much quicker at reading and getting rid of the football than Williams.
-Maye might be too comfortable hanging out in the pocket and getting hit. He’d rather just stick in there and get rid of the ball than bail.
-Williams is the physical freak that does things no one else can, but he also holds onto the ball too long and can’t hit the tight windows like Maye can.
-There’s probably no other QB this class worthy of a high grade.
-Both QBs have a chance to be really really good.


These are all just his opinion, but I have to admit I find it intriguing that he’s one of the only higher profile draft guys to be definitively behind Maye.

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EDIT: Apologies. I initially incorrectly called Nate Tice Dane Brugler.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

He's not wrong on Derek. If it weren't for the fact that Derek will occasionally just throw the ball to the other team 3 to 8 times a game for no explicable reason, to me he'd be a consensus number one overall.

It's the randomness with which he turns the ball over that is really concerning.

Although he threw him flowers at the end so he didn't get in trouble with his agents, he also has Caleb Williams mostly pegged.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Really interesting listen here with Dane Brugler on Hoge & Jahns.

Brugler was one of the only people to nail CJ Stroud as the clear #1 QB in the 2023 Draft. When he talks QBs, it’s probably good to listen. (For what it’s worth, he said Fields had bust potential.)

He says quite a few interesting things in this episode:

-Maye is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck.
-He has superior processing ability and is much quicker at reading and getting rid of the football than Williams.
-Maye might be too comfortable hanging out in the pocket and getting hit. He’d rather just stick in there and get rid of the ball than bail.
-Williams is the physical freak that does things no one else can, but he also holds onto the ball too long and can’t hit the tight windows like Maye can.
-There’s probably no other QB this class worthy of a high grade.
-Both QBs have a chance to be really really good.


These are all just his opinion, but I have to admit I find it intriguing that he’s one of the only higher profile draft guys to be definitively behind Maye.

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Panthers Panthers Panthers!

 

[Canth]

It's an interesting conundrum between Maye and Williams. I still maintain it won't matter between the two if they mess up the coaching hire again.

Now having said that, I do like the comments about the processing, getting rid of the ball quickly, and hitting tight throws. All of those things really stand out as really important traits in transitioning to the NFL.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Really interesting listen here with Dane Brugler on Hoge & Jahns.

Brugler was one of the only people to nail CJ Stroud as the clear #1 QB in the 2023 Draft. When he talks QBs, it’s probably good to listen. (For what it’s worth, he said Fields had bust potential.)

He says quite a few interesting things in this episode:

-Maye is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck.
-He has superior processing ability and is much quicker at reading and getting rid of the football than Williams.
-Maye might be too comfortable hanging out in the pocket and getting hit. He’d rather just stick in there and get rid of the ball than bail.
-Williams is the physical freak that does things no one else can, but he also holds onto the ball too long and can’t hit the tight windows like Maye can.
-There’s probably no other QB this class worthy of a high grade.
-Both QBs have a chance to be really really good.


These are all just his opinion, but I have to admit I find it intriguing that he’s one of the only higher profile draft guys to be definitively behind Maye.

Hoge & Jahns: a show about the Chicago Bears

Football Podcast · Updated Weekly · Chicago Bears analysis from Adam Hoge & The Athletic's Adam Jahns. Subscribe on YouTube for video episodes & The Athletic for more from The Adams. Merch @ www.hogeandjahns.com Hosted on Acast. See aca…

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This is nate Tice not brugler

He's not wrong on Derek. If it weren't for the fact that Derek will occasionally just throw the ball to the other team 3 to 8 times a game for no explicable reason, to me he'd be a consensus number one overall.

It's the randomness with which he turns the ball over that is really concerning.

Although he threw him flowers at the end so he didn't get in trouble with his agents, he also has Caleb Williams mostly pegged.

For **** sake man, it's drake not Derek. You can't even get his name right (for weeks) but want us to believe you've broken down his film. It's laughable

 

[msadows]

I nailed cj stroud also being the clear #1 QB in this class, and after watching minimal tape on this white UNC guy I can tell you he's the next mitch'

Disclaimer: This is all based on the fact he went to UNC, and I assume he loves kissing titties.

 

[msadows]

It's an interesting conundrum between Maye and Williams. I still maintain it won't matter between the two if they mess up the coaching hire again.

Now having said that, I do like the comments about the processing, getting rid of the ball quickly, and hitting tight throws. All of those things really stand out as really important traits in transitioning to the NFL.

Trolling aside: Williams far and away has the most arm talent. He would go into the nfl and only 3-4 guys could make the throws he can.

If I was picking #1, and fields was done, thats who I go with. You can't teach that arm.

Other than that, regarding "processing" both of them play in conferences with zero defense. Its not hard to process a potato.

 

[Bearly]

I nailed cj stroud also being the clear #1 QB in this class, and after watching minimal tape on this white UNC guy I can tell you he's the next mitch'

Disclaimer: This is all based on the fact he went to UNC, and I assume he loves kissing titties.

Haven't watched either much so far except for some of the USC, ND game so probably shouldn't comment, LOL... other than I do believe you need to learn how to navigate a pocket in the NFL. You can win a lot of games on sheer talent but once your up against playoff Ds...

 

[Toast88]

This is nate Tice not brugler

Thanks—my mistake. OP is now fixed.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Trolling aside: Williams far and away has the most arm talent. He would go into the nfl and only 3-4 guys could make the throws he can.

If I was picking #1, and fields was done, thats who I go with. You can't teach that arm.

Other than that, regarding "processing" both of them play in conferences with zero defense. Its not hard to process a potato.

A lot of NFL QBs can make the throws Williams can. His (and Maye’s) arm talent is top-tier at the college level, but most pros can hit any pass Williams can. If anything, Caleb lacks touch on the deeper stuff, imo. And (I think) Caleb is near the bottom of all college QBs when facing pressure. His rare trait is to be able to create when the play breaks down out of the pocket.

Honestly, he reminds me of a less athletic Fields. Which means if the Bears pass on him, he will be a first ballot HOFer.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Thanks—my mistake. OP is now fixed.

Thanks for posting this. I listened to it today. A lot of interesting stuff. I am becoming a big fan of Maye the more I see him play. Others have said this, and I think they’re spot-on, he reminds me of a more mobile Herbert.

 

[Rise]

This processing shit is so over rated. All I heard all last offseason was the CJ Stroud is dumb as a box of rocks well what’s everyone think now? Mahomes was similar cause he played in an air raid offense. You know what both had in common? Best arms in their drafts. I’ll ride with Caleb Williams.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

A lot of NFL QBs can make the throws Williams can. His (and Maye’s) arm talent is top-tier at the college level, but most pros can hit any pass Williams can. If anything, Caleb lacks touch on the deeper stuff, imo. And (I think) Caleb is near the bottom of all college QBs when facing pressure. His rare trait is to be able to create when the play breaks down out of the pocket.

Honestly, he reminds me of a less athletic Fields. Which means if the Bears pass on him, he will be a first ballot HOFer.

I strongly disagree that a lot of nfl qbs can make the throws Williams can. His arm talent is top tier even for nfl qbs. He's got his issues that need to be improved but his physical attributes are really good and the arm talent is elite.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

This processing shit is so over rated. All I heard all last offseason was the CJ Stroud is dumb as a box of rocks well what’s everyone think now? Mahomes was similar cause he played in an air raid offense. You know what both had in common? Best arms in their drafts. I’ll ride with Caleb Williams.

I agree about Williams, I don't think he has issues processing. I think his issues are a shit line forces him to play off script and he has ball protection issues when over extending plays to make something happen

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

This processing shit is so over rated. All I heard all last offseason was the CJ Stroud is dumb as a box of rocks well what’s everyone think now? Mahomes was similar cause he played in an air raid offense. You know what both had in common? Best arms in their drafts. I’ll ride with Caleb Williams.

You should have also heard he was the most accurate…. And that definitely does transfer to the NFL.

 

[bearsfan1977]

I strongly disagree that a lot of nfl qbs can make the throws Williams can. His arm talent is top tier even for nfl qbs. He's got his issues that need to be improved but his physical attributes are really good and the arm talent is elite.

Eh, I don’t know. To be fair, I haven’t watched a a lot of his games. He has a good arm, but I don’t even think he even has the strongest arm in college. Maye has a better arm than he does. I do recognize he has the ability to make every nfl throw required of him.

But, Williams does have a rare ability to make a lot of off-platform throws. And create when the play breaks down. That’s what makes him unique, imo.

I do agree with you that he is a great qb prospect, no doubt.

 

[Payton34Sayers40]

Maye has the lowest QBR and the second highest most Picks out of all the guys currently considered 1st round considerations. Only Penix has 1 more pick... but Penix also has 7 more TD's and a higher QBR.

Bo Nix, Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy, Caleb Williams, Penix -- all have more TD's and a higher QBR. In addition, all have less picks save Penix.

Maye has also played the weakest schedule out of all the top guys.

Lastly, if you are throwing picks in college against average/weak comp and not lighting up completion % numbers and not stacking big TD numbers, it is pure folly to think that those numbers are going to improve at the next level against elite athletes.

Sometimes these so-called pundits fall in love and overthink this thing. They did the same thing with Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Trubisky, etc.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Eh, I don’t know. To be fair, I haven’t watched a a lot of his games. He has a good arm, but I don’t even think he even has the strongest arm in college. Maye has a better arm than he does. I do recognize he has the ability to make every nfl throw required of him.

But, Williams does have a rare ability to make a lot of off-platform throws. And create when the play breaks down. That’s what makes him unique, imo.

I do agree with you that he is a great qb prospect, no doubt.

I think his arm strength is impressive but more impressive is his ability to maintain that arm strength throwing from different platforms and fading away with accuracy still. That's something only a few qbs can do. Most require correct mechanics to throw accurately but there's a few that have an innate ability to make those off platform throws and Williams definitely fits there.

He has shown an ability to read and get the ball out accurately and quickly from the pocket when given the opportunity as well. I think he'll excel in the nfl if he has a good coach (Bobby slowik, Ben Johnson and Harbaugh)

 

[Enasic]

Jayden Daniels should be talked about a hell of a lot more than he has been

 

[Payton34Sayers40]

Jayden Daniels should be talked about a hell of a lot more than he has been

Agreed. His stat line surprised me when I looked it up. I mean, like.... wow! Impressive. And doing it against elite comp. Also, correction from my last post - McCarthy has less TD's but has better numbers everywhere else. Anyhow, on to Jayden Daniels.... just look:

• Yards: 3,164
• TD: 30
• INT: 4
• QBR: 94.2

Contrast that with Drake Maye who has a 79.6 QBR ........ plus less TD's and more Picks.