New generation of superstars..

[CODE_BLUE56]

I will agree there seems to be a difference between the newer generation of stars emerging (KD, Rose, Westbrook, Love, Irving) than the established stars (Lebron, Wade, Howard, DWill, Melo) in terms of overall attitude. However, there's nothing to say that the newer stars humble & respectful nature will stay the same throughout their careers. Just look at Dwight Howard. He entered the league a God-fearing Christian who wore that on his sleeve like a badge of honor. Something happened during his time in the NBA that changed that or maybe he was putting on an act when he first came into the league.

But let's not delude ourselves here. The players we all loved & a good portion of us grew up cheering for (MJ, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Malone, Ewing, etc.) all had just as many flaws as the players that seem be getting derided here. MJ had severe trust issues with his teammates, even when the Bulls were winning championships. Magic got his own coach fired much like Melo did. Malone threw more intentional elbows than I've ever seen in the NBA. While you wouldn't see all the dancing & joking on the sidelines during games, (which is the only issue I have with some of the current stars) there have only been a handful of truly great superstars, who were truly great human beings as well.

larry bird,i've heard, is not the most pleasant guy to be around

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Pining for the good ol' days...when Scott Skiles was the best player on the Magic. The depth of perimeter star play in the league surpasses anytime in the league's history. There have never been players like Lebron James and Kevin Durant before. You can't name a player that compares to them. Yes, there is a lack of skilled big men, but I don't think Wilt Chamberlain could score 50ppg in today's game, that is a bit too much don't you think?

The game has evolved, the players today are bigger and stronger. NO player from a previous era comes in and averages 50ppg in today's game...don't think so.

Did you say there are no players from the past as great or can be compare to Lebron and durant??????
Are you kidding? LoL
I can name more than a few........
Enough of preaching Lebron James to us ...please
I will say Lebron James physically and talent wis is one of the best ever, but all that is rendered usesless because he doesn't have the 2 most important tools..........A brain and a heart................
**** Lebron James....sell that crap to heatfans on a heat messageboard.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

no,she couldnt

the only reason she is even dominant in women's basketball is because she's so tall

she can barely dunk for a 6'8 person

if she was in the nba she'd probably be a 4/3 or 3/4 combo meaning she'd have to be on the wing, which would be horrendous against quick athletic and much stronger nba players

she wouldnt even make an nba roster much less score 15 points per game

please tell me you're trolling

Well maybe your right, but I do know a couple of chicks who may of had at least a little success in the NBA............Reggie Millers sister and Lisa Leslie.......Maybe, at least its cool to assume......I guess.......maybe I'm wrong :dunno:

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Well maybe your right, but I do know a couple of chicks who may of had at least a little success in the NBA............Reggie Millers sister and Lisa Leslie.......Maybe, at least its cool to assume......I guess.......maybe I'm wrong :dunno:

cheryl was a baller, i think she may have been made an NBA roster

you have to remember that even a lot of really good college MEN's player end up at the bottom of an NBA roster, or not on a roster at all

 

[houheffna]

With good centers being an endangered species, I'm telling you - if Duane Causwell played today in his youth, he would be Andrew Bynum.

And if Andrew Bynum played in 1992, he would be Duane Causwell.

So if Andrew Bynum played in 1992, he would average 5 ppg? OK!!!!!

The center position was not 30 deep in 1992. Bynum is a better player than Bill friggin Cartwright dude...gotta be kidding me...lol. The only centers better than Bynum at his best from that era are HOFers.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

kevin love is putting up some really impressive stats(even if he is not the physical specimen and defender dwight is..he is giving him a serious run for best big man in the league)

26.3 PPG,13.8 RPG,1.0 SPG

who was the last guy(before love) to average 25+ and 12+? duncan? garnett?

 

[houheffna]

larry bird,i've heard, is not the most pleasant guy to be around

Right, and as pointed out before, Lebron winks at the crowd...disrespects the game. But having referees hook you up with chicks ain't disrespectful to the integrity of the sport?

Bird called out teammates all the time, and didn't care much for Kevin McHale...why? McHale was a joker, liked to have a good time and enjoy himself and teammates.

 

[houheffna]

kevin love is putting up some really impressive stats(even if he is not the physical specimen and defender dwight is..he is giving him a serious run for best big man in the league)

26.3 PPG,13.8 RPG,1.0 SPG

who was the last guy(before love) to average 25+ and 12+? duncan? garnett?

Garnett never did it...Duncan did it once, Malone once, Barkley twice...

I personally would have no problems taking Love over Dwight if I had to. Love's game seems to improve year end and year out. Dwight's game increases at a much slower rate. Love could be an all time great at his position, Dwight is dominant due to attrition. Don't get me wrong, he would be a standout in any era, but he wouldn't be the best big man in any other era but this one.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

cheryl was a baller, i think she may have been made an NBA roster

you have to remember that even a lot of really good college MEN's player end up at the bottom of an NBA roster, or not on a roster at all

Well one thing for sure, Cheryl was probably the greatest female ballplayer in history.
She played like a man and even lookedlike one, LoL.
Maybe she was born a homaphrodite....I could swear I seen a few hairs on her lip and chin in closeups ofsome of her old ictures from back in the days..if I reinvestigate, I'm pretty sure ill find plenty under her armpits.....eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwww curly shirly....if any woman could mak the NBA it would have to be Cheryl...

Didn't Reggie say she used to and still does kick his fucking ass.
Reggie made the NBA :shrug:

 

[Diddy1122]

Right, and as pointed out before, Lebron winks at the crowd...disrespects the game. But having referees hook you up with chicks ain't disrespectful to the integrity of the sport?

Bird called out teammates all the time, and didn't care much for Kevin McHale...why? McHale was a joker, liked to have a good time and enjoy himself and teammates.

Exactly. Maybe they had a little more respect for the game, in terms of competitiveness & wanting to beat the best opposing player, not join them for an easy road to a finals. But other than that, the majority of superstars that have played in this league have been assholes, past & present. And the GOAT happened to the biggest A-hole as well.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Exactly. Maybe they had a little more respect for the game, in terms of competitiveness & wanting to beat the best opposing player, not join them for an easy road to a finals. But other than that, the majority of superstars that have played in this league have been assholes, past & present. And the GOAT happened to the biggest A-hole as well.

Now that I thnk about it, M.J was kind of an asshole. Lmao.
He used to taunt the **** out of his opposition...
And he used to pick on his teammates during practice..
Not to metion he had child slaves make his shoes in other countrys and still charges too much for his product.
He left the game prematurely and made us suffer. He even tried to put froot of the loom out of business.
But it was all for the good 6 rings later. :beerbang:

 

[Diddy1122]

Now that I thnk about it, M.J was kind of an asshole. Lmao.
He used to taunt the **** out of his opposition...
And he used to pick on his teammates during practice..
Not to metion he had child slaves make his shoes in other countrys and still charges too much for his product.
He left the game prematurely and made us suffer. He even tried to put froot of the loom out of business.
But it was all for the good 6 rings later. :beerbang:

He's not kind of an asshole, he IS an asshole. You need only listen to his HOF speech to know that.

And he didn't just pick on teammates during practice, he made it his mission to mentally & physically break down players not only on his team, but opponents as well.

But honestly as long as they aren't kidnapping, raping, or murdering people I don't give 2 shits if a superstar is a fine, upstanding citizen. All I care about is the championship.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I know who wasn't an asshole and was everyones favorite teammate.
Scottie Pippen.
That is if you don't count his tipping philosophys.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Garnett never did it...Duncan did it once, Malone once, Barkley twice...

I personally would have no problems taking Love over Dwight if I had to. Love's game seems to improve year end and year out. Dwight's game increases at a much slower rate. Love could be an all time great at his position, Dwight is dominant due to attrition. Don't get me wrong, he would be a standout in any era, but he wouldn't be the best big man in any other era but this one.

you're right..he was very close though

24.2 PPG,13.8 RPG
03-04 season(his MVP season) only 0.8 PPG off

i agree with the rest of your post as well

 

[houheffna]

you're right..he was very close though

24.2 PPG,13.8 RPG
03-04 season(his MVP season) only 0.8 PPG off

i agree with the rest of your post as well

And if you look at Barkley (you didn't ask for his stats, just included them anyway) he almost did it 4 times in his career. Amazing.

Anybody remember me arguing with someone who called the man fat and lazy and said he should have...SHOULD HAVE...been a small forward?

Charles Barkley NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

And if you look at Barkley (you didn't ask for his stats, just included them anyway) he almost did it 4 times in his career. Amazing.

Anybody remember me arguing with someone who called the man fat and lazy and said he should have...SHOULD HAVE...been a small forward?

Charles Barkley NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

ya barkley was a damn good player

honestly i think he was more "at home" playing down low..he was great at boxing out,creating space, moving in the post(also timing..which is important)

rebounding and scoring down low is simply not all about girth or height, or even wingspan

 

[scottiepippen1994]

And if you look at Barkley (you didn't ask for his stats, just included them anyway) he almost did it 4 times in his career. Amazing.

Anybody remember me arguing with someone who called the man fat and lazy and said he should have...SHOULD HAVE...been a small forward?

Charles Barkley NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

I remember Hue, old buddy ole pal
2011 Summer.
As far as saying Barkley was more of a natural small forward,
"SO DID I IF YOU COULD REMEMBER"

I Kinda sounded like a quote from the ghost of Obi Won Kenobi speaking to Luke in Yodas house didn't I ?

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

I promise you that is how I feel about it. If I said she would AVERAGE 15 ppg that would obviously be trolling but am I really the only one who thinks she could do something only against the Bobcats!? The Bobcats are a joke.

I can't be the only one who thinks this.

Dragon Tarclac made it to the NBA.

DRAGON TARLAC!

no,she couldnt

the only reason she is even dominant in women's basketball is because she's so tall

she can barely dunk for a 6'8 person

if she was in the nba she'd probably be a 4/3 or 3/4 combo meaning she'd have to be on the wing, which would be horrendous against quick athletic and much stronger nba players

she wouldnt even make an nba roster much less score 15 points per game

please tell me you're trolling

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

Causwell was more of an 8-7 and 2 kind of guy and yeah, I see Bynum going no higher than that in 1992.

Think of it - he's averaging this but with Dwight Howard as the only other good center. Plus all the injuries? What has he missed? Like 40% of the games in his career?

Brook Lopez is nice. Boguts just aight...but in 1992 he would be going up against Ewing and Daughtery (when healthy he was a very under-rated center who was good), Rik Smits but 8 times a year he'd be going up agaisnt Olajuwon and David Robinson.

Of course he'd be Duane Causwell and of course he wouldn't sniff an All-Star game.

So if Andrew Bynum played in 1992, he would average 5 ppg? OK!!!!!

The center position was not 30 deep in 1992. Bynum is a better player than Bill friggin Cartwright dude...gotta be kidding me...lol. The only centers better than Bynum at his best from that era are HOFers.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

You know it's a losing argument when you're arguing about who they are as people.

I'm not talking about who these guys were OFF the court. Of course they have flaws. Everyone does.

I'm talking about ON the floor.

He's not kind of an asshole, he IS an asshole. You need only listen to his HOF speech to know that.

And he didn't just pick on teammates during practice, he made it his mission to mentally & physically break down players not only on his team, but opponents as well.

But honestly as long as they aren't kidnapping, raping, or murdering people I don't give 2 shits if a superstar is a fine, upstanding citizen. All I care about is the championship.