Next Years Draft

[Axl Rose]

we talking about Kris Dunn?

can hardly find anything on him..only thing is draft express and it says hes gifted athletically, shows good point skills, has defensive upside but is a bit turnover prone and has a shaky jumpshot

sounds sorta like this years Elfrid Payton

 

[The Hawk]

1. Are they white?

2. Have they played in a final four?

1. Sabonis yes De Paula no

2. Sabonis not yet De Paula no

 

[DCguy]

we talking about Kris Dunn?

can hardly find anything on him..only thing is draft express and it says hes gifted athletically, shows good point skills, has defensive upside but is a bit turnover prone and has a shaky jumpshot

sounds sorta like this years Elfrid Payton

Dunn has a long wingspan, which the team seems to like. he is a good defender and plays the passing lanes well. He can attack the rim and is a good passer. He reminds of of John Wall with his ability to know when to score and when to pass. But he may not come out this year. I believe he is a sophomore.

 

[Axl Rose]

Dunn has a long wingspan, which the team seems to like. he is a good defender and plays the passing lanes well. He can attack the rim and is a good passer. He reminds of of John Wall with his ability to know when to score and when to pass. But he may not come out this year. I believe he is a sophomore.

thinking about it he does sound like John Wall

is he as athletic/quick as Wall?

 

[Crystallas]

thinking about it he does sound like John Wall

is he as athletic/quick as Wall?

His quickness is like Lowry. It comes in bursts, but he doesn't maintain speed. He is more strength than speed.

 

[DCguy]

thinking about it he does sound like John Wall

is he as athletic/quick as Wall?

He isn't as athletic or quick but he is real close. He got a lot of hops. His last game against Butler he put on a show dunking all over the place. If we can land him he will be a nice get.

 

[Naptastic]

I was looking back at the last couple drafts and honestly, the FO has made some pretty smart choices. Other that teague, there hasn't been a guy that has been 100% bust. Especially with Snell breaking out and Butlers transforming into all star jimmy. Guess you just gotta hate on their free agent deals. Mainly the Booze Cruise.

 

[The Hawk]

George Lucas has been on my radar for some time too. But IMO, he's going to get hyped into the top 18.

Thats okay. They have more than enough assets to move up to get him.

 

[The Hawk]

A PG and Center would be ideal, although this draft has a lot of gems at SF in our range, which might be hard to pass up.

I think both and point guard and a power forward should be on their radar because I assume that Gibson will be traded and Gasol likely has only one of two good years left. They might be able to get a decent center out of trade for Gibson.

 

[The Hawk]

Wasn't there just an ESPN special on these guys? Sabonis, btw, is the son of Arvydas Sabonis, there will be a ton of people that know about him.

Yeah. I wasn't sure if he was his son or younger brother. Arvydas was a very crafty big man and one of the best Euros to ever come out and into the NBA. So the kid does have some good genes in him!

 

[Scoot26]

I was looking back at the last couple drafts and honestly, the FO has made some pretty smart choices. Other that teague, there hasn't been a guy that has been 100% bust. Especially with Snell breaking out and Butlers transforming into all star jimmy. Guess you just gotta hate on their free agent deals. Mainly the Booze Cruise.

This is John Paxson (and by extension Gar Forman)'s Resume
Drafts
2003 - #7 Kirk Hinrich
2004 - #3 Ben Gordon
*Acquired #7 Luol Deng in exchange for Jackson Vroman, an unprotected 2005 1st round pick.
2006 - #2 LaMarcus Aldridge; #16 Rodney Carney
*Traded #2 LaMarcus Aldridge in exchange for #4 Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Kryapa
*Traded #16 Rodney Carney for #13 Thabo Sefolosha
2007 - #9 Joakim Noah
2008 - #1 Derrick Rose
*Traded #39 Sonny Weems and two future second round picks in exchange for Omer Asik
2009 - #16 James Johnson; #26 Taj Gibson
2010 - #17 Kevin Seraphin
*Traded #17 Kevin Seraphin, Kirk Hinrich, cash in exchange for Vladimir Veremeenko
2011 - #28 Norris Cole; #30 Jimmy Butler
*Traded #28 Norris Cole and $43 Malcolm Lee for #23 Nikola Mirotic
2012 - #29 Marquis Teague
2013 - #20 Tony Snell
2014 - #16 Jusuf Nurkic; #19 Gary Harris
*Traded #16 Jusuf Nurkic and #19 Gary Harris to Denver for #11 Doug McDermott and Anthony Randolph

Trades (excluding already mentioned draft day trades)
2003-04 Season:
-Traded Jalen Rose, Donyell Marshall, and Lonny Baxter to Toronto for Antonio Davis, Jerome Williams, and Chris Jeffries

2004-05 Season:
-Traded Jamal Crawford and Jerome Williams to New York for Frank Williams, Othella Harrington, Dikembe Mutombo, and Cezary Trybanski

2005-06 Season:
-Traded Eddy Curry and Antonio Davis to New York for Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jermaine Jackson, 2006 1st round pick (#2-LaMarcus Aldridge), 2006 2nd round pick, and right to swap 2007 first round picks (#9-Joakim Noah)

2006-07 Season:
-Traded Tyson Chandler to New Orleans for JR Smith and PJ Brown
-Traded JR Smith to Denver for Howard Eisley and two 2007 2nd round picks

2007-08 Season:
-Traded Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, and 2009 2nd round pick to Cleveland and Adrian Griffin to Seattle for Larry Hughes, Shannon Brown, Drew Gooden, and Cedric Simmons

2008-09 Season:
-Traded Drew Gooden, Andres Nocioni, Cedric Simmons, Michael Ruffin to Sacramento for Brad Miller and John Salmons
-Traded Larry Hughes to New York for Anthony Roberson, Tim Thomas, and Jerome James
-Traded Thabo Sefolosha to Oklahoma City for 2nd round pick

2009-10 Season:
-Traded John Salmons and 2011-2012 2nd round picks to Milwaukee for Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander
-Traded Tyrus Thomas to Charlotte for Ronald Murray, Acie Law, and a future first round pick (2014-#16 Jursuf Nurkic) [Basically Doug McDermott]

2010-11 Season:
No trades

2011-12 Season:
No trades

2012-13 Season:
No trades

2013-14 Season:
-Traded Luol Deng to Cleveland for Andrew Bynum, three future draft picks and the right to swap 2015 1st round picks with Cleveland.
-Traded Marquis Teague to Brooklyn for Torike Shengelia

2014-15 Season:
No trades

Significant Free Agent Signings:
2004-05 Season:
-Signed Andres Nocioni

2005-06 Season:
-None

2006-07 Season:
-Signed Ben Wallace

2007-08 Season:
-Signed Joe Smith

2008-09 Season:
-None

2009-10 Season:
-None

2010-11 Season:
-Signed Carlos Boozer
-Signed Kyle Korver
-Signed Ronnie Brewer
-Signed Keith Bogans
-Signed Kurt Thomas
(These guys all contributed in some way)

2011-12 Season:
-Signed Richard Hamilton

2012-13 Season:
-Signed Kirk Hinrich
-Signed Nate Robinson
-Signed Marco Belinelli

2013-14 Season:
-Signed Mike Dunleavy
-DJ Augustin

2014-15 Season:
-Signed Pau Gasol
-Signed Aaron Brooks

 

[The Hawk]

I was looking back at the last couple drafts and honestly, the FO has made some pretty smart choices. Other that teague, there hasn't been a guy that has been 100% bust. Especially with Snell breaking out and Butlers transforming into all star jimmy. Guess you just gotta hate on their free agent deals. Mainly the Booze Cruise.

No doubt that their draft decisions have been excellent over-all. Anyone know who is responsible for that? I know that they do cover the foreign leagues very well. This is why I started looking at Sabonis and De Paula. There are also some pretty good centers and other power forwards in those leagues if they want to back up Noah.

 

[Crystallas]

Jim Paxson and Brian Hagen are responsible for organizing scouting for the drafts(plus the actual scouting staff, which has former all-around scout and ex-coach Tom Barrise and I forget the other guy). Two powerhouses in scouting IMO. John Paxson is also good with scouting players. In addition, yes, we have an international scout on retainer. But IIRC, that's a special position, and he isn't active with the team, only for parts of the year despite holding an organizational position. He's been with the team since 1990ish, and was responsible for Kukoc. So really, this front office is built around scouting players more than it's built around woo'ing free agents.

 

[The Hawk]

Jim Paxson and Brian Hagen are responsible for organizing scouting for the drafts(plus the actual scouting staff, which has former all-around scout and ex-coach Tom Barrise and I forget the other guy). Two powerhouses in scouting IMO. John Paxson is also good with scouting players. In addition, yes, we have an international scout on retainer. But IIRC, that's a special position, and he isn't active with the team, only for parts of the year despite holding an organizational position. He's been with the team since 1990ish, and was responsible for Kukoc. So really, this front office is built around scouting players more than it's built around woo'ing free agents.

Thanks for the response. And you are right about their scouting being much better than attracting free agents. What we have now is really the product of good scouting and bad free agents.

 

[Axl Rose]

-Traded Thabo Sefolosha to Oklahoma City for 2nd round pick

correction they traded him to OKC for a 1st round pick which turned into Taj Gibson

 

[clonetrooper264]

correction they traded him to OKC for a 1st round pick which turned into Taj Gibson

GarPax made some money trades back in the day. But yet they are still stand pat GarPax. Kinda funny how that turned out.

 

[Axl Rose]

GarPax made some money trades back in the day. But yet they are still stand pat GarPax. Kinda funny how that turned out.

they are good at dumping salary or getting future assets

but they lack at trading for established talent that would help us right then

Salmons/Miller is the only trade you can say made us better at that very moment and they kinda lucked into that one as the reason for that trade was to get rid of Noc

 

[clonetrooper264]

they are good at dumping salary or getting future assets but they lack at trading for talent that would help us right then

john salmons/brad miller is the only trade you can say made us better at the very moment and they kinda lucked into that one

Well they also haven't really made any trades the past few years save for the Luol Deng trade so that's also where that comes from. For all we know, though, they've been trying but failing to acquire the immediate talent.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Thats okay. They have more than enough assets to move up to get him.

So in one thread, you complain the Bulls don't have a good enough bench. Here you say they have more than enough assets. Which is it?

 

[Axl Rose]

Well they also haven't really made any trades the past few years save for the Luol Deng trade so that's also where that comes from. For all we know, though, they've been trying but failing to acquire the immediate talent.

whats funny about the Deng trade is they traded him for almost nothing to basically sign Pau Gasol when they wouldn't trade him for Gasol years before...kinda funny how that worked out