NFL Teams Colluding against Lamar Jackson? Or is he just not worth all that Guaranteed Money?

[remydat]

You always bring this up but only tell half the truth. 1,109 voted yes - 959 voted no - 500 didn't vote. Most of the people that didn't vote were practice squad and scrub players. If the 500 scrubs would have voted the way you claimed they would have the final tally would not have been close. There is good and bad with being part of a union. The union represents everyone in it. Even in a factory, the most talented and highest paid workers aren't the only ones that get to vote. They all paid their dues, they all get to vote.

There really is like what 5-7 stars on a team. So that is about 224 players at most. So that means even if every star voted against the CBA, there is still about 735 non-stars who also voted against. Ergo I don't know that you can say for sure who those 500 that did no vote are. Just because you apparently have some info that they are scrubs which you haven't actually shared with me doesn't mean I do.

And you are confused. I never said only the stars should vote. I am saying Jackson is a star who likely voted against the CBA so I have no problem if he doesn't like the franchise tag. I would only have a problem if he voted for the CBA and now complaining about the franchise tag. Just like if you are from one political party and voted for that party, I would expect you to not complain if someone for the other political party is elected and they initiate policies you don't like. In no other avenue is it expected that someone should just blindly accept things they voted against just because a slim majority outvoted them.

 

[remydat]

Hey, brother, nobody is accusing you of being human.

So if I am not human and you just called me brother then what does that make you?

 

[Warrior Spirit]

So if I am not human and you just called me brother then what does that make you?

Did I actually say you are not human? Focus now.

 

[remydat]

Did I actually say you are not human? Focus now.

You have lost the script.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

You have lost the script.

You have lost the focus as per usual.

 

[Chimthacreator]

Jackson, Burrow, Herbert & Hurts all need to jump in a Whatsapp group & agree not to sign unless its a fully guaranteed contract (or close to it).

Any young QB about to get paid, add him to the group.

 

[Montucky]

Jackson, Burrow, Herbert & Hurts all need to jump in a Whatsapp group & agree not to sign unless its a fully guaranteed contract (or close to it).

Any young QB about to get paid, add him to the group.

This would hurt other players, not the owners.

 

[remydat]

This would hurt other players, not the owners.

Lol the owners would cave sooner or later.

 

[Montucky]

Lol the owners would cave sooner or later.

If Lamar Jackson wants to go the career path of Le'veon Bell that's his choice, but it won't really change anything. And the racial subtext, always present with remy, is completely bunk. Russell Wilson, Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson certainly were not colluded against.

 

[remydat]

If Lamar Jackson wants to go the career path of Le'veon Bell that's his choice, but it won't really change anything. And the racial subtext, always present with remy, is completely bunk. Russell Wilson, Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson certainly were not colluded against.

Are you stupid? The comment was about Jackson, Herbert, Burrow and Hurts coming together to demand guaranteed contracts. Last I checked 2 of those are white jackass. If that happened someone would cave is the point.

 

[Montucky]

Are you stupid? The comment was about Jackson, Herbert, Burrow and Hurts coming together to demand guaranteed contracts. Last I checked 2 of those are white jackals. If that happened someone would cave is the point.

Yeah but why? Why is Joe Burrow going to "team up" with three inferior quarterbacks and hurt his overall earnings potential? Joe Burrow is going to do what Mahomes did, sign a half billion dollar deal that gets more and more secure as the years go by with annual restructures.

Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson aren't on his level. Only one has done anything in the postseason and even the guy that did only accomplished it with an all-world offensive line and defense that won't be possible if he signs some massive deal. And before you call it unfathomable that the Eagles let Hurts walk, well ask yourself how you'd react if somebody told you the Lamar Jackson situation would ultimately play out this way the year after he won MVP.

 

[Chimthacreator]

This would hurt other players, not the owners.

How would it hurt other players?

 

[Chimthacreator]

Yeah but why? Why is Joe Burrow going to "team up" with three inferior quarterbacks and hurt his overall earnings potential? Joe Burrow is going to do what Mahomes did, sign a half billion dollar deal that gets more and more secure as the years go by with annual restructures.

Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson aren't on his level. Only one has done anything in the postseason and even the guy that did only accomplished it with an all-world offensive line and defense that won't be possible if he signs some massive deal. And before you call it unfathomable that the Eagles let Hurts walk, well ask yourself how you'd react if somebody told you the Lamar Jackson situation would ultimately play out this way the year after he won MVP.

Because if they move together they have a much better chance of getting fully guaranteed contracts, which is what NFL players have long wanted.

But they'd be going to war with the league & I can't begrudge a man for saying this isn't my fight, I'm just here to make money & win Superbowls.

 

[Montucky]

Because if they move together they have a much better chance of getting fully guaranteed contracts, which is what NFL players have long wanted.

But they'd be going to war with the league & I can't begrudge a man for saying this isn't my fight, I'm just here to make money & win Superbowls.

Most players are fine without guaranteed contracts, though. The collective bargaining agreement has routinely been ratified by the NFLPA without it. What most NFL players seem to want is higher minimums, not guaranteed contracts.

But again, why should Joe Burrow move together with those guys? What does he gain? The only way it makes sense is if he wants to be on the vanguard of some league labor revolution. That motivation seems as absent in the actual minds of NFL players as it is wholly present in the Twitter-addled minds of internet cultural warriors.

 

[Chimthacreator]

Most players are fine without guaranteed contracts, though. The collective bargaining agreement has routinely been ratified by the NFLPA without it. What most NFL players seem to want is higher minimums, not guaranteed contracts.

But again, why should Joe Burrow move together with those guys? What does he gain? The only way it makes sense is if he wants to be on the vanguard of some league labor revolution. That motivation seems as absent in the actual minds of NFL players as it is wholly present in the Twitter-addled minds of internet cultural warriors.

The NFLPA wants fully guaranteed contracts, they filed collusion claims against the league.

He would gain a fully guaranteed contract, all the other major sports leagues have them but football players just don't want them?

 

[Montucky]

The NFLPA wants fully guaranteed contracts, they filed collusion claims against the league.

He would gain a fully guaranteed contract, all the other major sports leagues have them but football players just don't want them?

The players can want for whatever. At some point they have to prioritize their desires, and routinely the NFLPA has prioritized raising minimum salaries over pursuing guaranteed contracts.

 

[Chimthacreator]

The players can want for whatever. At some point they have to prioritize their desires, and routinely the NFLPA has prioritized raising minimum salaries over pursuing guaranteed contracts.

They know it would be an uphill battle to get them, there's nothing in the CBA that prohibits guaranteed contracts. After Deshaun signed his deal they were pushing for players & agents to get more guarantees, but it has to start with the Franchise QBs & if they band together they've got a better chance.

 

[remydat]

Yeah but why? Why is Joe Burrow going to "team up" with three inferior quarterbacks and hurt his overall earnings potential? Joe Burrow is going to do what Mahomes did, sign a half billion dollar deal that gets more and more secure as the years go by with annual restructures.

Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson aren't on his level. Only one has done anything in the postseason and even the guy that did only accomplished it with an all-world offensive line and defense that won't be possible if he signs some massive deal. And before you call it unfathomable that the Eagles let Hurts walk, well ask yourself how you'd react if somebody told you the Lamar Jackson situation would ultimately play out this way the year after he won MVP.

Irrelevant. I was not commenting on the likelihood of the scenario. I simply said that in that scenario the owners cave.

Most players are fine without guaranteed contracts, though. The collective bargaining agreement has routinely been ratified by the NFLPA without it. What most NFL players seem to want is higher minimums, not guaranteed contracts.

But again, why should Joe Burrow move together with those guys? What does he gain? The only way it makes sense is if he wants to be on the vanguard of some league labor revolution. That motivation seems as absent in the actual minds of NFL players as it is wholly present in the Twitter-addled minds of internet cultural warriors.

It isn't a CBA issue. The CBA in the NBA and MLB does not require guaranteed contracts. Guaranteed contracts came about in those sports because the best players negotiated for them not because the CBA demands it so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue.

The players can want for whatever. At some point they have to prioritize their desires, and routinely the NFLPA has prioritized raising minimum salaries over pursuing guaranteed contracts.

Who do you mean when you say the NFLPA? The owners pushed increasing min salaries not the NFLPA. They did so to get the scrubs to vote for the CBA as there are more scrubs in the NFL than good players.