NHL Draft thread

[KBIB]

I would love to hear who the Hawks should draft on this forum where members here think Brandon Pirri will actually be on the main roster instead of in Rockford.

My personal opinion? Unless somebody falls, they should trade the first rounder with a bad contract.

This is actually a three round deep draft with potential and the Hawks did pick up some picks.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Wrong.

 

[Raskolnikov]

How about

1. Braden Schneider
2. Marco Rossi
3. Jack Quinn
4. Kayden Guhle
5. Dylan Halloway
6. William Wallinder
7. Ryan O'Rourke
8. Helge Grans
9. John-Jason Peterka (penalty killer for ya)
10. Yaroslav Askarov (goalie I think is worth putting on here)

Will watch some videos and adjust my preference before the draft. But like you said, its a deep draft and I don't think that means we should trade out of it, but dig in and pull some talent.


maybe we could compromise on a trade back swap of first rounders to get DeHaan off the books or something, who isn't a totally loss wherever he goes. No reason not to take half the contract either. Something less extreme like that I could buy into.

Some nice defensive size in this one, but I doubt Stan can pass the skill guy that falls to us.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I feel like what Stan doesn't understand about petite skill guys is thats it...thats what they are. Hinostroza is Hinostroza...they get their coordination early and that part of their game is maxed out. Then you can't add anything to their frame either.

You got to be more like the NBA, and project what somebody is going to be in 3 or 4 years. Big guys have to figure out their body and develop their skills a little more, takes longer, but they keep getting bigger by percent body weight. They have a frame to put meat on.

 

[ruprecht]

I feel like what Stan doesn't understand about petite skill guys is thats it...thats what they are. Hinostroza is Hinostroza...they get their coordination early and that part of their game is maxed out. Then you can't add anything to their frame either.

You got to be more like the NBA, and project what somebody is going to be in 3 or 4 years. Big guys have to figure out their body and develop their skills a little more, takes longer, but they keep getting bigger by percent body weight. They have a frame to put meat on.

Like Dach

 

[Raskolnikov]

Like Dach

Dach is exceptional...he got that one right...he gets the culture, I like what soupy and some of the staff are doing, we have great scouts. I don't hate Stan B. and I try to have some patience for the cap hell in the way team is built...but we are taking on way too much physical attrition because we can't defend ourselves. We end up asking too much of young guys who aren't built for it.

The most "manly" guy on the team was fucking 18.

 

[KBIB]

How about

1. Braden Schneider
2. Marco Rossi
3. Jack Quinn
4. Kayden Guhle
5. Dylan Halloway
6. William Wallinder
7. Ryan O'Rourke
8. Helge Grans
9. John-Jason Peterka (penalty killer for ya)
10. Yaroslav Askarov (goalie I think is worth putting on here)

Will watch some videos and adjust my preference before the draft. But like you said, its a deep draft and I don't think that means we should trade out of it, but dig in and pull some talent.


maybe we could compromise on a trade back swap of first rounders to get DeHaan off the books or something, who isn't a totally loss wherever he goes. No reason not to take half the contract either. Something less extreme like that I could buy into.

Some nice defensive size in this one, but I doubt Stan can pass the skill guy that falls to us.

One thru four on your list won't be there when the Hawks pick unless they free fall. Askarov? If he's there of course you take him and laugh. I don't think he drops out of the top ten, tho.

If you can package that pick to get rid of Seabrook? You probably have to do it. But that would mean somebody fell for a team to be that desperate, nor do I think that would be enough even if Seabrook throws out his no trade.
If you can use that pick as a basis to get rid of Smith and Shaw? I seriously have to think about it.

Wallinder I'm not too high on as much as the two russian forwards, both of whom have boom or bust potential.

 

[Raskolnikov]

One thru four on your list won't be there when the Hawks pick unless they free fall. Askarov? If he's there of course you take him and laugh. I don't think he drops out of the top ten, tho.

If you can package that pick to get rid of Seabrook? You probably have to do it. But that would mean somebody fell for a team to be that desperate, nor do I think that would be enough even if Seabrook throws out his no trade.
If you can use that pick as a basis to get rid of Smith and Shaw? I seriously have to think about it.

Wallinder I'm not too high on as much as the two russian forwards, both of whom have boom or bust potential.

I agree about Askorov given our situation in net and that he won't be there. And also that 1-4 won't be there. But picking 17 isn't as easy as picking 3...you have to do alot of homework, and you have to know who is ahead of you in case one of them fall.

I'd love to hear a couple more sleepers to check out with this start.

Note: I would certainly inquire about trading up a few spots for 1. Schnieder 2. Askorov or 3. Guhle ...

those are in the group of guys Covid might have cost this team one of.
Halloway is highly likely, but I extended the list to think about trading down and what might be a good fit for us.

 

[KBIB]

I agree about Askorov given our situation in net. And also that 1-4 won't be there. But picking 17 isn't as easy as picking 3...you have to do alot of homework, and you have to know who is ahead of you in case one of them fall.

I'd love to hear a couple more sleepers to check out with this start.

Honestly I would love for Askarov to fall. He checks alot of boxes and he's an elite talent on top. I don't think he gets past the Devil's.

This draft has around 15 sure fire NHL players with around 10 potential top line/pairing players. After those 15, your banking on potential. But there's alot of potential in this one.

If Askarov or Schneider fell, I would be happy. If Lundell falls, I would be happy.

But, if a first round pick can free up another 7 mil in cap space I would be estatic.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Honestly I would love for Askarov to fall. He checks alot of boxes and he's an elite talent on top. I don't think he gets past the Devil's.

This draft has around 15 sure fire NHL players with around 10 potential top line/pairing players. After those 15, your banking on potential. But there's alot of potential in this one.

If Askarov or Schneider fell, I would be happy. If Lundell falls, I would be happy.

But, if a first round pick can free up another 7 mil in cap space I would be estatic.

Why don't we just eat the contracts at this point...are we trying to compete this year?

 

[KBIB]

Why don't we just eat the contracts at this point...are we trying to compete this year?

You can get rid of Maatta for scraps, which is probably what's going to happen. I think his penalty is 400k if they bought him out which is nothing.

Smith has one year left. If they buy him out that's 2 mil in savings but 1 mil in dead cap this year and next year.

Shaw is buyout proof. Limited savings this year while next year at 2.7 of dead cap then 775k for two years after. The two years after aren't bad, it's that 2.7 year that kills it.

And let's not talk about Seabrook.

 

[Raskolnikov]

You can get rid of Maatta for scraps, which is probably what's going to happen. I think his penalty is 400k if they bought him out which is nothing.

Smith has one year left. If they buy him out that's 2 mil in savings but 1 mil in dead cap this year and next year.

Shaw is buyout proof. Limited savings this year while next year at 2.7 of dead cap then 775k for two years after. The two years after aren't bad, it's that 2.7 year that kills it.

And let's not talk about Seabrook.

thats not what I mean...just let them play them out. We should be buying bad contracts for picks not selling them. If they can compete fine...let Shaw/Smith/Maata play them out.This isn't 2016.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Honestly I would love for Askarov to fall. He checks alot of boxes and he's an elite talent on top. I don't think he gets past the Devil's.

This draft has around 15 sure fire NHL players with around 10 potential top line/pairing players. After those 15, your banking on potential. But there's alot of potential in this one.

If Askarov or Schneider fell, I would be happy. If Lundell falls, I would be happy.

But, if a first round pick can free up another 7 mil in cap space I would be estatic.

From the last three offseasons what did you like from Bowman’s approach? Giving bowman another 7 mil to squander isn’t going to help things out. Rather just get some talent in the draft then give bowman 7 mil to spend

 

[Granada]

Wrong.

Yeah, reading obviously isn't fundamental for him.

No one said Pirri will actually be on the roster. I said he was brought in with the hope that he can make the team, which he may not. Pirri had a whopping two more points than Sikura did in the AHL last year.

 

[RacerX]

Honestly I would love for Askarov to fall. He checks alot of boxes and he's an elite talent on top. I don't think he gets past the Devil's.

This draft has around 15 sure fire NHL players with around 10 potential top line/pairing players. After those 15, your banking on potential. But there's alot of potential in this one.

If Askarov or Schneider fell, I would be happy. If Lundell falls, I would be happy.

But, if a first round pick can free up another 7 mil in cap space I would be estatic.

Disagree. This team needs to add future assets rather than purely focusing on shedding liabilities (such as Seabrook's contract). This roster can't be turned into a legit playoff competitor for at least 2 years, we need to take our lumps and plan & build for 2024 new era. The 2020-2021 cap is secondary.

 

[KBIB]

From the last three offseasons what did you like from Bowman’s approach? Giving bowman another 7 mil to squander isn’t going to help things out. Rather just get some talent in the draft then give bowman 7 mil to spend

Another seven million gives the Hawks flexibility to re-sign their own RFA's.

This is a deep draft

 

[KBIB]

Yeah, reading obviously isn't fundamental for him.

No one said Pirri will actually be on the roster. I said he was brought in with the hope that he can make the team, which he may not. Pirri had a whopping two more points than Sikura did in the AHL last year.

They traded for Pirri so he can stay rooted. Anybody who thinks otherwise, or that Pirri is in the Hawks plans moving forward outside of an emergency call up is kidding themselves.

Just sayin

 

[KBIB]

Disagree. This team needs to add future assets rather than purely focusing on shedding liabilities (such as Seabrook's contract). This roster can't be turned into a legit playoff competitor for at least 2 years, we need to take our lumps and plan & build for 2024 new era. The 2020-2021 cap is secondary.

Strome and Kubalik aren't future assets?

 

[RacerX]

Strome and Kubalik aren't future assets?

I said we needed to add future assets, did not say anything about Strome nor Kubalik.

Kubalik is obviously a significant asset, Strome is too inconsistent to warrant a significant investment. I see value in Strome but will hope Stan doesn't overpay him a la Shaw and El Gato.

 

[Granada]

They traded for Pirri so he can stay rooted. Anybody who thinks otherwise, or that Pirri is in the Hawks plans moving forward outside of an emergency call up is kidding themselves.

Just sayin

Disagree. I really don't think the organization cares one single bit if Pirri stays "rooted" in Chicago. Ask Troy Brouwer.