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Congrats to Fredi Gonzalez on making a career saving decision.
 

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Hendry needs to be replaced before they get a manager. Or, Hendry should have no say in it.

Im really starting to be disgruntled with this new ownership group. They seem to be worried about everything but the product on the field.

I hate to say it but the foreseeable future is looking bleak.
 

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Hendry needs to be replaced before they get a manager. Or, Hendry should have no say in it.

Im really starting to be disgruntled with this new ownership group. They seem to be worried about everything but the product on the field.

I hate to say it but the foreseeable future is looking bleak.

Why does Hendry need to be replaced? Who do we replace him with?
 

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Sure he has signed a few bad contracts, but other than the Pierre trade, he has made GREAT trades. He isn't that bad.

He's bad. Of the teams that have a top 3 or 4 payroll, it seems like the Cubs are always the team that has the least to show for it. And a lot of it is because of how Hendry spends money. Plus there are a lot of parts that dont fit into where they actually play.

The best thing Hendry ever did was the Ramirez and Simon for Hill trade with Pittsburgh and that doesnt happen unless Pittsburgh's not a small market team.

Hendry's actually their biggest problem. Until they fix that, other problems will continue.
 

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He's bad. Of the teams that have a top 3 or 4 payroll, it seems like the Cubs are always the team that has the least to show for it. And a lot of it is because of how Hendry spends money. Plus there are a lot of parts that dont fit into where they actually play.

The best thing Hendry ever did was the Ramirez and Simon for Hill trade with Pittsburgh and that doesnt happen unless Pittsburgh's not a small market team.

Hendry's actually their biggest problem. Until they fix that, other problems will continue.

It seems like... but it's not. Have you seen the Mets? Honestly.

Alright, you have a problem with Hendry. But, what other options are there?

He is the best option out there. He is a top 5 GM, trade wise. He does great trades. Harden, Ramirez, Lee, Silva, DeWitt, DeRosa, the list goes on.

He does make some bad signings, but what GM doesn't?
 

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It seems like... but it's not. Have you seen the Mets? Honestly.

Alright, you have a problem with Hendry. But, what other options are there?

He is the best option out there. He is a top 5 GM, trade wise. He does great trades. Harden, Ramirez, Lee, Silva, DeWitt, DeRosa, the list goes on.

He does make some bad signings, but what GM doesn't?

No, he's not a top 5 GM tradewise. As I said, his best trade came because he was trading with a small market team.

Im actually not a big fan of the DeRosa trade. As a matter of fact, I think trading DeRosa is one example of how poor Hendry is. Consider that Hendry had this fixation on trading for Jake Peavy (and injury aside, that was a smart move). DeRosa was supposed to be one of the pieces to make the trade. When a deal for Peavy never happened the fixation went from trading for Peavy, to trading DeRosa, like DeRosa was burning a hole in his pocket. He traded DeRosa just because he had it in his head to trade DeRosa for Peavy. Except he didnt trade him for Peavy. And sorry, but DeRosa has not been replaced since he was traded.

Blake DeWitt for Ted Lilly wasnt a very good trade either. Ted Lilly is a quality starting pitcher. DeWitt is an OK second baseman. Id rather have Lilly.

Another place he is poor is in how he has constituted the lineup. Derek Lee, during his time in Chicago was a paper tiger. He was like a super sized Matt Murton. He had his biggest seasons when the Cubs were out of the running. Dont get me wrong. Lee isnt total garbage but he's a paper tiger. And I find it amusing that people talk about his defense when some of Hendy's lineups have had Barrett playing catcher and Fukudome playing center field.

When youre putting together a lineup, offense at the corners and defense up the middle is a proven approach. But Hendry has a defensive first baseman, with a very poor defensive catcher in Michael Barrett at catcher and Fukudome in center field (not at the same time maybe but theyre examples of how Hendry just cobbles together lineups with pieces that dont fit).

Another thing Hendry tends to do is fall in love with media favorites like Lee and Barrett. Both Lee and Barrett were good with the media. Sorry but when your catcher is THAT bad defensively, youre going to have problems. And it took Piniella to realize this.

Harden was a good acquisition but, similar to the Ramirez deal, Hendry was exploiting a small market team.

Im not saying we shouldnt try to fleece the small market teams because thats the current system but youd also like to evaluate a general manager on some other basis that doesnt involve getting guys you wouldnt ordinarily get if not for the disparity between big market and small market teams.

And for the resources Hendry has had at his disposal, the Cubs have been a too much of a cobbled together mess for the money that was spent.

And how long has it taken Hendry to find a left handed bat?

And sorry but, "we're better than the Mets" isnt really an argument for Jim Hendry. Besides, Im not even sure thats true. The Mets have had a lot of payroll tied up in injured players. The Bay contract is a good example of what youre talkign about though.
 
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Why does Hendry need to be replaced? Who do we replace him with?

Sorry to respond to this one post with two posts but I didnt want the answer to this to be buried in my previous post.

To answer your question, I would interview guys from the TB Rays, Boston Red Sox, and Minnesota Twins.

I like the Twins and Rays scouting and player development. And of the big market teams, I think the Red Sox spend money the best.
 

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No, he's not a top 5 GM tradewise. As I said, his best trade came because he was trading with a small market team. So what if he was trading with a small market team? The other 28 teams had the opportunity to trade with Pittsburgh, but Hendry did. That's more credit to him. It's definitely not anything to rip him on.

Im actually not a big fan of the DeRosa trade. As a matter of fact, I think trading DeRosa is one example of how poor Hendry is. Consider that Hendry had this fixation on trading for Jake Peavy (and injury aside, that was a smart move). DeRosa was supposed to be one of the pieces to make the trade. When a deal for Peavy never happened the fixation went from trading for Peavy, to trading DeRosa, like DeRosa was burning a hole in his pocket. He traded DeRosa just because he had it in his head to trade DeRosa for Peavy. Except he didnt trade him for Peavy. And sorry, but DeRosa has not been replaced since he was traded. The DeRosa trade is already a good one, because DeRosa has completely fallen off the cliff, since 2008. Jim sold high on him and got a really good package. The true value of this trade will be how Archer plays out. As long as he is worth more than 2 or so wins in the MLB, the trade will be considered a success, although that will not happen for a couple years.

Blake DeWitt for Ted Lilly wasnt a very good trade either. Ted Lilly is a quality starting pitcher. DeWitt is an OK second baseman. Id rather have Lilly. There is a lot of quality SP's. Especially for 12 million. DeWitt is an average 2B, at league minimum. He is also an upgrade over Theriot, who was addition by subtraction. Lilly will be 35, IIRC. DeWitt will be like 25. DeWitt can still get better, whereas it is all downhill for Lilly.

Another place he is poor is in how he has constituted the lineup. Derek Lee, during his time in Chicago was a paper tiger. He was like a super sized Matt Murton. He had his biggest seasons when the Cubs were out of the running. Dont get me wrong. Lee isnt total garbage but he's a paper tiger. And I find it amusing that people talk about his defense when some of Hendy's lineups have had Barrett playing catcher and Fukudome playing center field. Hendry doesn't make the line up, the manager does. It's not Lee's fault that his biggest years have been when the Cubs suck dick.

When youre putting together a lineup, offense at the corners and defense up the middle is a proven approach. But Hendry has a defensive first baseman, with a very poor defensive catcher in Michael Barrett at catcher and Fukudome in center field (not at the same time maybe but theyre examples of how Hendry just cobbles together lineups with pieces that dont fit). Dude, Get over Barrett, he's gone. We have Geo now, who is an offensive and defensive catcher. Fukudome isn't in CF, he was because we got Bradley, a better bat. It isn't Fukudome's fault he was playing out of position. His "defensive 1B" is one of the best 1B in Cubs history. Lee was just an all around good player.

Another thing Hendry tends to do is fall in love with media favorites like Lee and Barrett. Both Lee and Barrett were good with the media. Sorry but when your catcher is THAT bad defensively, youre going to have problems. And it took Piniella to realize this. Pinella didn't realize shit. Barrett got into a fight with Zambrano and the Cubs took Z's side.

Harden was a good acquisition but, similar to the Ramirez deal, Hendry was exploiting a small market team. So what?

Im not saying we shouldnt try to fleece the small market teams because thats the current system but youd also like to evaluate a general manager on some other basis that doesnt involve getting guys you wouldnt ordinarily get if not for the disparity between big market and small market teams. If he uses and abuses small market teams, then good for him. You are really not looking at this clearly.

And for the resources Hendry has had at his disposal, the Cubs have been a too much of a cobbled together mess for the money that was spent.A lot of that falls on the trib, though. That can't all be put on Hendry's shoulders.

And how long has it taken Hendry to find a left handed bat?Would you rather he have over spent on some big name who amounted to nothing?

And sorry but, "we're better than the Mets" isnt really an argument for Jim Hendry. Besides, Im not even sure thats true. The Mets have had a lot of payroll tied up in injured players. The Bay contract is a good example of what youre talkign about though.And those injured players are consistently injured. Stop trying to be the world's biggest pessimist and just look at the stuff with an open mind.

Sorry to respond to this one post with two posts but I didnt want the answer to this to be buried in my previous post.

To answer your question, I would interview guys from the TB Rays, Boston Red Sox, and Minnesota Twins.

I like the Twins and Rays scouting and player development. And of the big market teams, I think the Red Sox spend money the best.

So you think that a big market team like the Cubs should sign someone with absolutely no GM experience? That is what will lead us down the wrong road, not Hendry.
 

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So you think that a big market team like the Cubs should sign someone with absolutely no GM experience? That is what will lead us down the wrong road, not Hendry.

Hendry has led us down the wrong road. So, Im not even sure what that even means.

And, no, I dont think its a case that 28 teams could have traded for Ramirez. In MLB, there have been very few haves and a lot of have nots. Its more like 5-8 teams could have gone after Ramirez and even at that, not all of those teams needed a 3B at that time.

Theres no way the have not teams would trade for Ramirez since theyre in the same situation of Pittsburgh. Theyd just be getting a guy they couldnt afford to keep because all these small market teams anticipate losing bidding wars. And its been like that for a while. And so you have a only handful of teams that are really candidates to make a move to get Aramis.

And, sorry, but if Barrett could play in a way that you need from a catcher, the fight would have been less of an issue. Youre forgetting, more was going on than the fight. Barrett made baserunning gaffes in addition to his defensive woes. Notice how Barrett has never really caught on with other teams after he left Chicago. Did he get in a fight at all of those places?

Some guys are just paper tigers. I dont know if they can help it. But I think Lou cut Lee some slack. In Lous first year, Lee stood up for Lou within the clubhouse. Lee is a good person but he's a big time paper tiger. And had Lee not gone to bat for Lou, Im not sure Lou wouldnt have pushed for trading D Lee sooner.
 
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to get back on topic -- thoughts on Torre?
 

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Hendry has led us down the wrong road. So, Im not even sure what that even means. How has he led us down the wrong road? Two division titles in a row, the first time for this franchise in 100 years, is wrong?

And, no, I dont think its a case that 28 teams could have traded for Ramirez. In MLB, there have been very few haves and a lot of have nots. Its more like 5-8 teams could have gone after Ramirez and even at that, not all of those teams needed a 3B at that time. Well, regardless of how many teams, just because it was a small market team, doesn't mean anything. He got the deal done, plain and simple.

Theres no way the have not teams would trade for Ramirez since theyre in the same situation of Pittsburgh. Theyd just be getting a guy they couldnt afford to keep because all these small market teams anticipate losing bidding wars. And its been like that for a while. And so you have a only handful of teams that are really candidates to make a move to get Aramis.

And, sorry, but if Barrett could play in a way that you need from a catcher, the fight would have been less of an issue. Youre forgetting, more was going on than the fight. Barrett made baserunning gaffes in addition to his defensive woes. Notice how Barrett has never really caught on with other teams after he left Chicago. Did he get in a fight at all of those places?It doesn't matter about the other stuff. Even if it hadn't happened, he still would have been gone.

Some guys are just paper tigers. I dont know if they can help it. But I think Lou cut Lee some slack. In Lous first year, Lee stood up for Lou within the clubhouse. Lee is a good person but he's a big time paper tiger. And had Lee not gone to bat for Lou, Im not sure Lou wouldnt have pushed for trading D Lee sooner. We had no reason to trade him before. He had a great year in 2009. In 2007, Lee had his 3rd best year. So that paper tiger garbage can stop now.

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No, Lee is a good player but he's definitely a paper tiger. Not only that but he was a three hitter that acted like a 2 hitter way too often. Its like there were a lot of times he tried to be a table setter for Ramirez. And sorry but 1B is a position where there is a premium on offense. The defense is great and all but its kind of silly to talk about Lee defensively when he was a paper tiger offensively and they had guys like Barrett playing catcher and Fukudome trying to play center.

As for the rest of what you said, it all ties back to being a big market team. If youre a big market team with baseball economics being what they are, you should be able to go to the playoffs.

Hendry's legacy is one of having a lot of resources to spend but with little to show for it, save the trades with small market teams. There were also a lot of unnecessary/bad moves that accomplished little to nothing. They werent all bad but far too many were.
 

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to get back on topic -- thoughts on Torre?

What about Torre? Would you want the Cubs to hire him if he comes back or thoughts on his HOF career? I say no to him as manager and I expect him to make the HOF in the 1st or 2nd ballot.
 

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What about Torre? Would you want the Cubs to hire him if he comes back or thoughts on his HOF career? I say no to him as manager and I expect him to make the HOF in the 1st or 2nd ballot.

For once I agree with you. I'd much rather go with a younger guy who is going to bring a fire to the clubhouse. Let Torree retire, get in the HOF, and sit on a beach drinkin a coldy.
 

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Seriously? I cant believe this is even being asked.

Everyone hates Hendry because we suck. He gace us two straight playoff berths and an above-.500 team. He also made some solid moves this offseason with Marlon Byrd and Rudy Jaramillo. Sure he overpays people, but remember that the Tribune MADE him add two extra years to Soriano's proposed contract.
 

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No, he's not a top 5 GM tradewise. As I said, his best trade came because he was trading with a small market team.

Im actually not a big fan of the DeRosa trade. As a matter of fact, I think trading DeRosa is one example of how poor Hendry is. Consider that Hendry had this fixation on trading for Jake Peavy (and injury aside, that was a smart move). DeRosa was supposed to be one of the pieces to make the trade. When a deal for Peavy never happened the fixation went from trading for Peavy, to trading DeRosa, like DeRosa was burning a hole in his pocket. He traded DeRosa just because he had it in his head to trade DeRosa for Peavy. Except he didnt trade him for Peavy. And sorry, but DeRosa has not been replaced since he was traded.

Blake DeWitt for Ted Lilly wasnt a very good trade either. Ted Lilly is a quality starting pitcher. DeWitt is an OK second baseman. Id rather have Lilly.

Another place he is poor is in how he has constituted the lineup. Derek Lee, during his time in Chicago was a paper tiger. He was like a super sized Matt Murton. He had his biggest seasons when the Cubs were out of the running. Dont get me wrong. Lee isnt total garbage but he's a paper tiger. And I find it amusing that people talk about his defense when some of Hendy's lineups have had Barrett playing catcher and Fukudome playing center field.

When youre putting together a lineup, offense at the corners and defense up the middle is a proven approach. But Hendry has a defensive first baseman, with a very poor defensive catcher in Michael Barrett at catcher and Fukudome in center field (not at the same time maybe but theyre examples of how Hendry just cobbles together lineups with pieces that dont fit).

Another thing Hendry tends to do is fall in love with media favorites like Lee and Barrett. Both Lee and Barrett were good with the media. Sorry but when your catcher is THAT bad defensively, youre going to have problems. And it took Piniella to realize this.

Harden was a good acquisition but, similar to the Ramirez deal, Hendry was exploiting a small market team.

Im not saying we shouldnt try to fleece the small market teams because thats the current system but youd also like to evaluate a general manager on some other basis that doesnt involve getting guys you wouldnt ordinarily get if not for the disparity between big market and small market teams.

And for the resources Hendry has had at his disposal, the Cubs have been a too much of a cobbled together mess for the money that was spent.

And how long has it taken Hendry to find a left handed bat?

And sorry but, "we're better than the Mets" isnt really an argument for Jim Hendry. Besides, Im not even sure thats true. The Mets have had a lot of payroll tied up in injured players. The Bay contract is a good example of what youre talkign about though.

What the ****? DeRosa who was super-bad in 2009, you would rather have than Archer, Gaub, and Stevens?
 

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