Northwestern Human Sexuality class

[jakobeast]

I support those involved. Prof. John Michael Bailey, Faith Kroll, Jim Marcus, and all the students. I love the fact that everyone NOT involved in the class or demonstration are the ones that are upset. It is a human sexuality class, what do you think any demonstration or conversation would be about?



I also love some of the WASP-y parents that are coming out of the woodwork. "I pay $50,000 for my kid to go to this school, and this is what they teach?!" YES. As they should. These "kids" that go to that school are all over 18, and are ADULTS. Yes they are you're kids, but they are at an institution of learning, and that's whats going on. They watched a video with inaccuracies about female orgasms. The teacher, DOING HIS JOB, decided to educate his students. It was also voluntary. NO ONE was forced to be there or watch. If you as a parent or whoever is footing the bill for the education, why don't you know the classes they are taking? If you feel that this shouldn't be a course there, why is precious little Johnny or Jane allowed to take it? BTW, if you do that, you are just repressing you kid and not allowing him or her to explore. It WILL blow up in your face.



Prof. John Michael Bailey has a bit over 600 kids in his human sexuality class. Of those, a little over 100 kids went to the demonstration. Less the 20%. That is getting lost in all this hubbub. Not even 20%.



Sex ed is dismal in this country. It isn't so much sexual education as it is std avoidance. Don't get me wrong, that is an amazingly great thing, as that should be one of the main concerns, however I can't tell you how many girls have no idea exactly what the ******** is or where it is. How many know exactly what a labia minora and labia majora is? Do you know what a perineum is? If you are older and had a kid, probably. If not, I bet you just call it taint.



College should be a bastion of learning things deemed too strange or odd, as well as everything else. That's what it's there for. I want to know why this is such a bad thing.



"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but watching naked people on stage doing pleasurable things will never hurt you."-Prof. John Michael Bailey



Who disagrees?

 

[R K]

I attended a class "Effects of Recreational Drugs". I guess under that theory I should have been allowed to do Coke during class participation. Or trippped on LSD in a study group?



Teaching and descriptive demonstration are two different things here. Not saying I'm for or against, just saying.



<edit> I will say it was one of the most interesting classes I took throughout my entire time in College.





I wonder if this class passes out CONDOMS!

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

I think most this initial grief was that people did not know much of what the demonstration was going to be other than graphic. The live action surprise put people off a bit. Once word got out, and people not digging into the real story, it just snow balled. The "oddness" of it did not help either.



But I agree with you Jako, as odd as this was it should be a non-issue. This was also something that the students had a choice to attend, so it was not mandatory. Better communication would have staved some of the backlash (some will just get their panties in a bunch over stick figures doing the demonstration), but communication does help.





And really this is no different than the Psych volunteer sessions I participated in. I did not always know what it was or what control group I was in, but they could be looked on as weird as hell. Like the schizo experiment were we wore head phones that had our voice or a different voice performing a conversation. That conversation was a pre-recorded conversation we or other students made based on a script. We then had verbally speak the same conversation but a different script while listening to the recording. It was designed by a schizo to give us the experience. We had to report on how easy or hard it was to ignore the other voice in our head.

 

[Tater]

I think most this initial grief was that people did not know much of what the demonstration was going to be other than graphic. The live action surprise put people off a bit. Once word got out, and people not digging into the real story, it just snow balled. The "oddness" of it did not help either.



But I agree with you Jako, as odd as this was it should be a non-issue. This was also something that the students had a choice to attend, so it was not mandatory. Better communication would have staved some of the backlash (some will just get their panties in a bunch over stick figures doing the demonstration), but communication does help.





And really this is no different than the Psych volunteer sessions I participated in. I did not always know what it was or what control group I was in, but they could be looked on as weird as hell. Like the schizo experiment were we wore head phones that had our voice or a different voice performing a conversation. That conversation was a pre-recorded conversation we or other students made based on a script. We then had verbally speak the same conversation but a different script while listening to the recording. It was designed by a schizo to give us the experience. We had to report on how easy or hard it was to ignore the other voice in our head.

I think going through that would give me mental problems.

 

[Ymono37]

I think going through that would give me mental problems.

You mean additional mental problems, right?

Gotta agree with Jako on this one.

 

[MassHavoc]

People are not upset about anything that actually went on, or the price they spend on their children blah blah blha, they are upset that this has cast a negitive light on the snooty degree they worked so hard to pay more than others for. They could have done this same demonstration for 50 years and then this artcile came out and the same thing would have happen. It's not about what was being taught but the altered perception of the numbnut alumni who feel this is disparaging upon them and their degree somehow. Fucking idiots.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

I think going through that would give me mental problems.

Well conversation number 2 (Jake) disagrees with you, but number 5 (Sally) agrees. It is conversation 12 (Kelewanhawk) that I worry about....

 

[MassHavoc]

I think most this initial grief was that people did not know much of what the demonstration was going to be other than graphic. The live action surprise put people off a bit. Once word got out, and people not digging into the real story, it just snow balled. The "oddness" of it did not help either.



But I agree with you Jako, as odd as this was it should be a non-issue. This was also something that the students had a choice to attend, so it was not mandatory. Better communication would have staved some of the backlash (some will just get their panties in a bunch over stick figures doing the demonstration), but communication does help.





And really this is no different than the Psych volunteer sessions I participated in. I did not always know what it was or what control group I was in, but they could be looked on as weird as hell. Like the schizo experiment were we wore head phones that had our voice or a different voice performing a conversation. That conversation was a pre-recorded conversation we or other students made based on a script. We then had verbally speak the same conversation but a different script while listening to the recording. It was designed by a schizo to give us the experience. We had to report on how easy or hard it was to ignore the other voice in our head.

Actually he went through it pretty clearly before hand at told them exactly what they were going to see. He even said that he gave 6 more additional warnings between the time it started and the end of class in order to give the students a thorough understanding that it was optional, graphic, and not for pussies.



I just don't get how people can be so shocked by this. The imagery is essentially is nothing more than you'd see on late night TV, only the simulations are fully acted out. Who hasn't seen a reciprocating saw with a dildo on the end of it... and I guarantee not one of you who read that last sentence weren't immediately able to visualize the situation. You sick fucks, you should all be fired.

 

[LordKOTL]

Great idea for a class. Pissed that it's the 21st century and americans are still just as prudish as the taliban when it comes to sex.

 

[bri]

I was confused as to why he used a power tool. I think it was some kind of saw that they took the blade out of and replaced it with the toy. Did anyone else understand it that way? I don't have a problem with it as long as attendance was voluntary, but I am interested in all that kind of stuff.

 

[R K]

Does anyone know what they showed?

 

[Ymono37]

I was confused as to why he used a power tool. I think it was some kind of saw that they took the blade out of and replaced it with the toy. Did anyone else understand it that way? I don't have a problem with it as long as attendance was voluntary, but I am interested in all that kind of stuff.

I've only read a few articles on this situation - but I would imagine it has to do with the drilldo being used to more easily achieve those types of orgasms than through straight up missionary sex with a penis.



My 2 cents, anyway.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Actually he went through it pretty clearly before hand at told them exactly what they were going to see. He even said that he gave 6 more additional warnings between the time it started and the end of class in order to give the students a thorough understanding that it was optional, graphic, and not for pussies.



I just don't get how people can be so shocked by this. The imagery is essentially is nothing more than you'd see on late night TV, only the simulations are fully acted out. Who hasn't seen a reciprocating saw with a dildo on the end of it... and I guarantee not one of you who read that last sentence weren't immediately able to visualize the situation. You sick fucks, you should all be fired.

If that is the case and there was amble warning of what was explicitly going to occur, then this is just people griping.





As far as that "sentence" I as wondering if there is a 4 way device and imagining it's use. I need a tissue.

 

[bri]

I've only read a few articles on this situation - but I would imagine it has to do with the drilldo being used to more easily achieve those types of orgasms than through straight up missionary sex with a penis.



My 2 cents, anyway.

I saw it on TV and they showed the saw or whatever it was.

 

[sth]

Sociology professors are and odd bunch. I took a sociology professor for an intro to sociology class that would just say weird things that caught people off guard. And they have a very open view of sex. So this doesn't strike me as odd that they would do this.

 

[winos5]

Actually he went through it pretty clearly before hand at told them exactly what they were going to see. He even said that he gave 6 more additional warnings between the time it started and the end of class in order to give the students a thorough understanding that it was optional, graphic, and not for pussies.



I just don't get how people can be so shocked by this. The imagery is essentially is nothing more than you'd see on late night TV, only the simulations are fully acted out. Who hasn't seen a reciprocating saw with a dildo on the end of it... and I guarantee not one of you who read that last sentence weren't immediately able to visualize the situation. You sick fucks, you should all be fired.

Whatchew talkin about Willis, it was all about pussies.



Tend to agree, in a class full of adults, with ample warning given about the graphic nature of the live demonstration I don't see any problem with it.

 

[supraman]

Actually he went through it pretty clearly before hand at told them exactly what they were going to see. He even said that he gave 6 more additional warnings between the time it started and the end of class in order to give the students a thorough understanding that it was optional, graphic, and not for pussies.



I just don't get how people can be so shocked by this. The imagery is essentially is nothing more than you'd see on late night TV, only the simulations are fully acted out. Who hasn't seen a reciprocating saw with a dildo on the end of it... and I guarantee not one of you who read that last sentence weren't immediately able to visualize the situation. You sick fucks, you should all be fired.

I thought one was involved.



I mean I would be upset if the chick wasn't hot then yeah I wouldn't want to see that, but if she was hot it is okay. I mean let's face it probably everyone in that university has seen hardcore porn so um yeah what's the big deal.

 

[R K]

Does ANYONE know what was shown exactly??

 

[sth]

I thought one was involved.



I mean I would be upset if the chick wasn't hot then yeah I wouldn't want to see that, but if she was hot it is okay. I mean let's face it probably everyone in that university has seen hardcore porn so um yeah what's the big deal.

How many kids at BYU have seen it Supra?



Rk as far as I can tell from the articles it was woman using a vibrator of some sort. The prof said it was a demonstration of a female orgasam.

 

[bri]

Does ANYONE know what was shown exactly??

It was my understanding that it showed her getting penetrated and pleasured with the motorized sex toy. I don't know if she was doing herself or if the professor was doing it.