Numbers Don't Add Up For Impact Move (ESPN Chicago article)

[scottiepippen1994]

If Taj Gibson was on another team, wouuld you trade Boozer for him????
I would.

So pick one. Boozer or Gibson?

Trade the one you don't pick for the shooting guard we need.

We don't need 2 fukin starting power forwards.
We need a starting (SCORING) guard and right now we DON'T HAVE 1..
When we get one, Rose will be able to focus more on creating for his teammates which will make our team a better scoring team AS A WHOLE.

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

CTB. I think you might be able to with Richardson. Cut JL3 and you have an extra million to work with. Not a lot but its something.

Trust me, just about nothing, outside of the long shot of D12 on this squad, would make me happier. I believe J-Rich would fit well with this current Bulls team.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Id agree Jason Rchardson would make Bogans obsolete..

 

[FirstTimer]

Pretty much what every person with a brain thought last year when FA got over. The Bulls are in 2 or 3 seed hell for the next 4-5 seasons.

While other teams were/are aquiring perennial all stars and/or All NBA talent...the Bulls dumped a shit load of money into an aging and injury prone PF, a grindy offensivley limited center, and a maxed out SF. Nice players and kind of borderline All stars..but the Bulls already have and are seemingly going to continue to lose the arms race in the East.

 

[FirstTimer]

If Taj Gibson was on another team, wouuld you trade Boozer for him????
I would.

So pick one. Boozer or Gibson?

Trade the one you don't pick for the shooting guard we need.

We don't need 2 fukin starting power forwards.
We need a starting (SCORING) guard and right now we DON'T HAVE 1..
When we get one, Rose will be able to focus more on creating for his teammates which will make our team a better scoring team AS A WHOLE.

Boozers contract is virutally untradable.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

That's Pax

This kinda reminds me of his Ben Wallace signing, but not as bad......

Ben Wallace disappearing act payday.
Hinrich was a bust for his pay.
Chandler got depressed and regressed when he got his payday.
Deng dissapeared for a season when he got an overpaid contract.
Noah dissapeared a bt after he got his big pay day.
Then Boozer does it only gets injured at home and still an effortless defender.
Now there getting ready to resign Derrick Rose to his payday....I hope he don't join that list of payday dissapearing acts...

Other than Rose, the one guy that did deserve a contract was Gordon, considering he showed up everynight and carried the Bulls back into a respectful catagory preRose days....and with Rose

 

[FirstTimer]

That's Pax

This kinda reminds me of his Ben Wallace signing, but not as bad......

Ben Wallace disappearing act payday.
Hinrich was a bust for his pay.
Chandler got depressed and regressed when he got his payday.
Deng dissapeared for a season when he got an overpaid contract.
Noah dissapeared a bt after he got his big pay day.
Then Boozer does it only gets injured at home and still an effortless defender.
Now there getting ready to resign Derrick Rose to his payday....I hope he don't join that list of payday dissapearing acts...

Other than Rose, the one guy that did deserve a contract was Gordon, considering he showed up everynight and carried the Bulls back into a respectful catagory preRose days....and with Rose

To be fair to those players to a certain extent Pax was overpaying for them even based on what they had done.

Hinrich was always the same guy. Pax overpaid.

Wallace was a ****** but Pax overpaid for his skillset.

Deng was overrated as hell. Pax overpaid for potential that I have no idea how he saw.

Noah's skillset was vastly overpaid for.

Boozer is going to be a declining commodity and was a knee jerk reaction. Boozer last year was what he was for pretty much his entire career once he got healthy.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Pretty much everybody counted out the Mavericks last season and they were the 4-seed.

They got off to an amazing start and then Butler and Dirk went down. The Bulls unfortunately never got a completely healthy Noah and Boozer back after their injuries. It probably wouldn't have been enough to get by a healthy Miami team, but it is very possible that the Bulls could have beaten them.

The Bulls are a top 3 seed lock for the foreseeable future. And if one of Miami's big 3 goes down then the Bulls will likely be in the NBA Finals.

 

[FirstTimer]

Pretty much everybody counted out the Mavericks last season and they were the 4-seed.

The Mavs also have a HOF PG, a HOF PF, an upper tier 6th man really great post depth, a very good back up/eventual starter at PG and some really good defenders and role players like Marion, Stevenson, Peja(obviously not a defender) etc.

Don't forget the future HOF Corey Brewer too!

Comparing them to this Bulls team doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Losing Rose would suck but I'd trade the Mavs roster for the Bulls roster in a second.

And if one of Miami's big 3 goes down then the Bulls will likely be in the NBA Finals.

Great. This team is built for a likely Finals run!........................If the top team has a in injury to a key player....and let's ignore the Knicks and Nets stockpiling talent too.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The Mavs also have a HOF PG, a HOF PF, an upper tier 6th man really great post depth, a very good back up/eventual starter at PG and some really good defenders and role players like Marion, Stevenson, Peja(obviously not a defender) etc.

Don't forget the future HOF Corey Brewer too!

Comparing them to this Bulls team doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Losing Rose would suck but I'd trade the Mavs roster for the Bulls roster in a second.

Great. This team is built for a likely Finals run!........................If the top team has a in injury to a key player....and let's ignore the Knicks and Nets stockpiling talent too.

The Bulls stack up very similarly in talent to the Dallas Mavericks. The Bulls are better at the PG position, SF position, and C position (when Noah is healthy) compared to how the Mavericks were when they won the championship.

J.J. Barea is not exactly good enough defensively to be a solid starting PG. Rodrigue Beaubois is more dangerous of a player than Barea anyway.

But anyway... Dallas is not a major threat anymore because Tyson Chandler is probably leaving in FA.

NJ/Brooklyn doesn't have Dwight Howard yet and Deron Williams might leave. Next season, they are still not going to be a threat.

New York doesn't have Howard or CP3 yet either. Until that happens, they won't be a threat.

Miami could run the table with Dalembert, but if one of the big 3 goes down then they are probably done. And then the Bulls are probably on their way to the Finals.

And don't rule out a deal for Dwight Howard. The best deal the Nets can offer is picks and Brook Lopez and expirings. The Bulls can offer much more in terms of talent along with a nice pick and others.

 

[FirstTimer]

The Bulls stack up very similarly in talent to the Dallas Mavericks. The Bulls are better at the PG position, SF position, and C position (when Noah is healthy) compared to how the Mavericks were when they won the championship.

Delusional.

J.J. Barea is not exactly good enough defensively to be a solid starting PG.

Yeah I doubt he ever starts in the NBA Finals as a key cog.

But anyway... Dallas is not a major threat anymore because Tyson Chandler is probably leaving in FA.

Yep. That's it. Tyson Chandler leaves. Dalls no longer a threat.

Great.

Wut?

NJ/Brooklyn doesn't have Dwight Howard yet

Well aware.

and Deron Williams might leave.

For New York?..which hurts the Bulls.

New York doesn't have Howard or CP3 yet either. Until that happens, they won't be a threat.

Lulz.

Miami could run the table with Dalembert, but if one of the big 3 goes down then they are probably done.

Laughable. Both Wade and James have shown themselves to be capable to carry teams by themselves. Let alone still having them both. If James gets hurt it's the biggest issue losing either Bosh or Wade would still hurt but as long as it's not James the Heat would be more than ok and far from "done".

And don't rule out a deal for Dwight Howard. The best deal the Nets can offer is picks and Brook Lopez and expirings. The Bulls can offer much more in terms of talent along with a nice pick and others.

Except the Bulls picks don't mean as much since they are late 1st rounders. The Nets picks wouldn't be(presumably) Plus the Bulls can offer players comaprable to Lopez but it's bad paper along with it. The Nets apparent willingness to take on Hedo's deal too is a HUGE plus for Orlando that Chicago can't do.

Unless the Bulls get Howard....their window in the East is closing. Fast. This is the last year they have really before teams like the Knicks, Nets, and Heat start either catching them or distancing themselves in a major way. To much bad paper to non-elite players.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Delusional.

Luol Deng is definitely a slightly better player than Shawn Marion at this point. Derrick Rose is way better than Jason Kidd, and C.J. Watson is miles ahead of Barea on defense (granted- not offense). And, a healthy Joakim Noah+Omer Asik is better than anything Dallas has/will have at C position going forward.

Yeah I doubt he ever starts in the NBA Finals as a key cog.

The only reason he was able to start that one game was because the Heat had Mike Bibby out there. It matched up more favorably for Dallas to start him even though Kidd was still their best PG making most of the decisions with the basketball at key times.

Yep. That's it. Tyson Chandler leaves. Dalls no longer a threat.

What is the only difference between the 2011 Mavs and the 2010 Mavs- Tyson Chandler. Hell, last year, they had Butler as well as Haywood. All it took was the improved play of Barea in a supporting role and Tyson Chandler's presence to make the Mavs into a dominant team.

If they lose Chandler, their defense and offensive/defensive rebounding takes a huge hit. And their offense will even take a slight hit. Chandler improved into an 80%+ FT shooter and was an athletic scorer on the pick and roll. He is a transition weapon offensively.

far from "done".

I said "probably done."

Except the Bulls picks don't mean as much since they are late 1st rounders.

Don't forget the CHARL pick.

 

[FirstTimer]

Luol Deng is definitely a slightly better player than Shawn Marion at this point.

Well that's good. Each team only has one SF. Good info.

Thanks.

Wut?

And, a healthy Joakim Noah+Omer Asik is better than anything Dallas has/will have at C position going forward.

I was talking about the Finals. Since you referenced the Mavs being a 4 seed....

The only reason he was able to start that one game was because the Heat had Mike Bibby out there. It matched up more favorably for Dallas to start him even though Kidd was still their best PG making most of the decisions with the basketball at key times.

Barea started the last two games pud.

What is the only difference between the 2011 Mavs and the 2010 Mavs- Tyson Chandler. Hell, last year, they had Butler as well as Haywood. All it took was the improved play of Barea in a supporting role and Tyson Chandler's presence to make the Mavs into a dominant team.

Yeah. Having Caron Butler for a full season won't help.

Chandler is gone.

All hope is lost!

Don't forget the CHARL pick.

Oh goodie!

 

[scottiepippen1994]

:jackson:

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

FT, Dallas probably won't be able to re-sign Butler either. And even if they do, he is declining fast due to his knees. Marion will take up the bulk of time at the SF.

And a 1st round pick from the worst team in the NBA next season is nothing to scoff at if you are ORL. Especially if Noah+Deng+Gibson come with it.

 

[FirstTimer]

FT, Dallas probably won't be able to re-sign Butler either. And even if they do, he is declining fast due to his knees. Marion will take up the bulk of time at the SF.

All is lost.

Tyson Chandler is gone!!!

Oh noes!

And a 1st round pick from the worst team in the NBA next season is nothing to scoof at if you are ORL. Especially if Noah+Deng+Gibson come with it.

Worst team in the NBA?
I get that Charlotte isn't great...but the worst team in the NBA?

:lmao:

I mean..come on.

They have the almighty Boris Diaw!

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

All is lost.

Tyson Chandler is gone!!!

Oh noes!

Well, without Tyson and with everybody else, they were bounced by SAS in round one. We all see what happened last year.

Worst team in the NBA?
I get that Charlotte isn't great...but the worst team in the NBA?

:lmao:

I mean..come on.

They have the almighty Boris Diaw!

Touche. The Bobcats will be the greatest worst team in the NBA in the history of the league.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

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[AE23]

:clap: best thread Ive read in CCS in a while.

 

[Anytime23]

You know that the NBA is back when you start reading these huge back and forth arguments. All we need is houheff back in the mix and we're ready to rumble.