ObamaCare And What It Means To You.

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We had a great thread on the previous site that shared a tremendous amount of information along with concerns/ opinions of our board members. I would like to reinvigorate that discussion. We all seem to be getting bits and pieces of information

on what the passed bill actually means to all of us and how it is going to be implemented.



I came across this today which discussed just the tax implications to all of us.



11 Alarming Tax Issues in the Health Care Bill



1. Creates a special deal for union members.

2. Makes a bad surtax worse.

3. Increases taxes on real estate investments.

4. Vastly expands IRS powers.

5. Imposes new marriage penalties.

6. Breaks the President's pledge on not taxing the middle class in at least a dozen ways.

7. Ensnares a growing number of people in the Cadillac tax.

8. Repeats the mistakes of the AMT.

9. Forces those with catastrophic costs to pay even more.

10. Punishes investment in our economy.

11. Robs Peter and leaves Paul broke.





R ead more on each here http://www.gop.gov/blog/10/03/20/11-ala ... -issues-in
 

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[quote name="IceHogsFan"]We had a great thread on the previous site that shared a tremendous amount of information along with concerns/ opinions of our board members. I would like to reinvigorate that discussion. We all seem to be getting bits and pieces of information

on what the passed bill actually means to all of us and how it is going to be implemented.



I came across this today which discussed just the tax implications to all of us.



11 Alarming Tax Issues in the Health Care Bill



1. Creates a special deal for union members.

2. Makes a bad surtax worse.

3. Increases taxes on real estate investments.

4. Vastly expands IRS powers.

5. Imposes new marriage penalties.

6. Breaks the President's pledge on not taxing the middle class in at least a dozen ways.

7. Ensnares a growing number of people in the Cadillac tax.

8. Repeats the mistakes of the AMT.

9. Forces those with catastrophic costs to pay even more.

10. Punishes investment in our economy.

11. Robs Peter and leaves Paul broke.





R ead more on each here http://www.gop.gov/blog/10/03/20/11-ala ... -issues-in[/quote]

Well, **** all that!
 

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I saw we all just rob Paul, get it over with.
 

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I just go with the flow. I just think it could be worse, and that makes any BS the government does pallettable.



Because really, not a damn thing we can do about it. Special interests rule the world.



Unless some American General pulls a Julius Caesar, and marches their Legions from Parthia to Washington D.C. and tells em how its gonna be.
 

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[quote name="TSD"]I just go with the flow. I just think it could be worse, and that makes any BS the government does pallettable.



Because really, not a damn thing we can do about it. Special interests rule the world.



Unless some American General pulls a Julius Caesar, and marches their Legions from Parthia to Washington D.C. and tells em how its gonna be.[/quote]



Sorry but I totally disagree with the opinion that there is not a thing to do about it.

First, I am privy to information that most of you I would assume are not aware of or have

not taken the time to educate yourself. This is a major part of my career and I can tell that

there are going to be portions, maybe alot of this bill, that are being or will be challenged

prior to their implementation. Also keep in mind that many components of the bill require

funding and if funding is not approved that portion will not be instituted. Many of the

changes/ impacts will be implemented over the next four years. Alot can happen politically

in the next four years.
 

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[quote name="IceHogsFan"]



Sorry but I totally disagree with the opinion that there is not a thing to do about it.

First, I am privy to information that most of you I would assume are not aware of or have

not taken the time to educate yourself. This is a major part of my career and I can tell that

there are going to be portions, maybe alot of this bill, that are being or will be challenged

prior to their implementation. Also keep in mind that many components of the bill require

funding and if funding is not approved that portion will not be instituted. Many of the

changes/ impacts will be implemented over the next four years. Alot can happen politically

in the next four years.[/quote]





Let me re-iterate. Theres nothing that people that WANT to do something about it can do about it because of everyone else.



You have a much larger mob of uneducated fools behind Obamacare. "Awww shit Obama gonna pay fo my colonoscopy!"



Hes a populist. Julius Caesar and Barack Obama are very much alike, Caesar pandered to the mob that was the uneducated masses of Rome, with mountains of legislature that benefitted the poor masses of Rome and alienated the middle to upper classes. His legislature ultimately would have led to the financial ruin of Rome, but he had the backing of people he dazzled with trinkets.



What you dont want to do what Obama says? he will publicly chastize his opponents, making them seem even worse to the people he is pandering to drawing even stronger support, again much like caesar.



Alas, Caesar was murdered in the forum, the conspirators expecting to be hailed as saviors of the republic for killing the despot who was putting their republic to ruin. They were run out of town, by the people Caesar so endeared to himself with his populist agenda.



Come on now, youve had people that voted for Obama that dont even know why and will support any tripe he spits out. How do you compete against that?



Politicians will talk a big game, until it no longer serves their career interest ah and here comes the pork and here comes the concession.



I am sorry, despite any polls despite any news coverage, opponents of obama are far less than supporters of every thing he does including the way his **** rocks to the side when he pisses (dont ask me how i know that). They just arent always as vocal because they are bunch of lazy asshats. But when you threaten they gov'ment freebies directly, believe me they will come out of the woodwork, and it doesn't help that 90% of the media labels any opponent of obama a racist.



FURTHERMORE, you heard it here first folks! Obama WILL get re-elected, for the very reasons i stated above.



Tea parties? Sarah Palin? A bunch of polical chest pounding and thats that. May as well try to knock down the sears tower with a bb gun.
 

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Obama is nothing without a Congress in his pocket.

Actually, I think Obama is in their pocket.
 

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[quote name="IceHogsFan"]We all seem to be getting bits and pieces of information

on what the passed bill actually means to all of us and how it is going to be implemented.

[/quote]



This thing will end up being the biggest expenditure in the federal budget someday. Mark my words. From what I understand, major employers are already looking at dropping health coverage for their employees. I've heard the fine for doing so is less than the cost of the insurance. If that's true, we'll all be forced onto the public dole at some point. Then again, that may have been the plan all along.
 

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[quote name="mikita"]



This thing will end up being the biggest expenditure in the federal budget someday. Mark my words. From what I understand, major employers are already looking at dropping health coverage for their employees. I've heard the fine for doing so is less than the cost of the insurance. If that's true, we'll all be forced onto the public dole at some point. Then again, that may have been the plan all along.[/quote]

It is. It was mentioned way back in January that part of the way they planned on funding this whole shitty mess was to make it so employers would NOT join in and then be fined.

























It's been a while. **** Pelosi
 

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We're going to have a public option….It's just a question of when.”

–Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, July 2010.






If you thought the worst of the health care debate was behind us, think again. Earlier this week, 128 liberal Democrats joined California Democrat, Lynn Woolsey on a new bill, H.R. 5808, that would amend the new health care reform bill to create a public option in the new health insurance exchanges. While there are a few minor changes in this new bill, this public-option model is nearly identical to the original government health care plan we fought so hard against and defeated just 6 months ago.



WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW: This new public option is being presented by Woolsey and her liberal colleagues under the ruse of reducing the deficit. That’s right—they want to grow the public welfare state and have you think it will reduce government spending. Can you say, ludicrous? This ploy of theirs won’t stop as long as Nancy Pelosi is Speaker.



http://fleming.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=6TAFBN6O2ZKXNFP4CKFRANQ3IU
 

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[quote name="winos5"]Updated flow chart for those confused by Obamacare.



http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/tx08_brady/pr_100728_hc_chart.html[/quote]



obama_chart.jpg




Ahhhhh it all makes sense now!​
 

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The faster we can get control of the House and Senate again the faster we can shutdown all of Obama's policies and programs and wait til the 2012 presidential election. This November's election for control of Congress is critical. It starts there and ends when Obama's ass is in the street.
 

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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



obama_chart.jpg




Ahhhhh it all makes sense now!​
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Thanks for the assist. Didn't feel like uploading it to photo-bucket.
 

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[quote name="winos5"]



Thanks for the assist. Didn't feel like uploading it to photo-bucket.[/quote]



You can right click an image and click "copy image URL" then do [.img]http://www.image.here.jpg[./img] (take the periods out before the img tag obviously.
 

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[quote name="TSD"]You have a much larger mob of uneducated fools behind Obamacare. "Awww shit Obama gonna pay fo my colonoscopy!"



...



But when you threaten they gov'ment freebies directly



...



and it doesn't help that 90% of the media labels any opponent of obama a racist.[/quote]



I can't begin to imagine where such an idea could ever gain any traction with respect to any segment of Obama opponents. Do you want to remind the class how many billions of government freebies Bush gave AIG?



[quote name="TSD"]Tea parties? Sarah Palin? A bunch of polical chest pounding and thats that. May as well try to knock down the sears tower with a bb gun.



...



Hes a populist. Julius Caesar and Barack Obama are very much alike, Caesar pandered to the mob that was the uneducated masses of Rome, with mountains of legislature that benefitted the poor masses of Rome and alienated the middle to upper classes. [/quote]



Yeah. That Sarah Palin and those tea parties represent the most educated segment of our population and are not populist in the least. Good call.



And besides wasn't the talking point a few years ago that educated folk are bad elistist liberal folk?



[quote name="TSD"]Politicians will talk a big game, until it no longer serves their career interest ah and here comes the pork and here comes the concession.[/quote]



Can't argue with that.
 

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[quote name="IceHogsFan"]11 Alarming Tax Issues in the Health Care Bill



1. Creates a special deal for union members.

2. Makes a bad surtax worse.

3. Increases taxes on real estate investments.

4. Vastly expands IRS powers.

5. Imposes new marriage penalties.

6. Breaks the President's pledge on not taxing the middle class in at least a dozen ways.

7. Ensnares a growing number of people in the Cadillac tax.

8. Repeats the mistakes of the AMT.

9. Forces those with catastrophic costs to pay even more.

10. Punishes investment in our economy.

11. Robs Peter and leaves Paul broke.

[/quote]



No vague rhetorical characterization here. Just the specific and detailed facts, eh. God, I hope those death panels stay away from my grandma.
 

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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



obama_chart.jpg




Ahhhhh it all makes sense now!​
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Gee. A chart drawn up by an opponent of the bill to visually scare people about beauracracy. Oh noes, it's complicated! No complicated endeavor is ever worthwhile. Ever see the org chart for AIG? Or how about Haliburton and its ties to government spending?
 

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Here is a more specific and factual timeline of the bill's 1st year of implementation. The full timeline can be found here: http://davis.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=146&Itemid=92



H.R. 4872

THE HEALTH CARE & EDUCATION AFFORDABILITY

RECONCILIATION ACT of 2010



IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE



2010





Immediate Access to Insurance for Uninsured Individuals with a Pre Existing Condition. Provides eligible individuals access to coverage that does not impose any coverage exclusions for pre existing health conditions. This provision ends when Exchanges are operational.



Small Business Tax Credit. Initiates the first phase of the small business tax credit for qualified small employers for contributions to purchase health insurance for employees. The credit is up to 35 percent of the employer's contribution to provide health insurance for employees. There is also up to a 25 percent credit for small nonprofit organizations.



Eliminating Pre Existing Condition Exclusions for Children. Bars health insurance companies from imposing pre existing condition exclusions on children's coverage.



Prohibiting Rescissions. Prohibits abusive practices whereby health insurance companies rescind existing health insurance policies when a person gets sick as a way of avoiding covering the costs of enrollees' health care needs.



Eliminating Lifetime Limits and Restricting Use of Annual Limits. Prohibits lifetime limits on benefits in all group health plans and in the individual market and prohibits the use of restrictive annual limits.



Covering Preventive Health Services. All new group health plans and plans in the individual market must provide first dollar coverage for preventive services.



Extending Dependent Coverage. Requires any group health plan or plan in the individual market that provides dependent coverage for children to continue to make that coverage available up to age 26.



Bringing Down the Cost of Health Care Coverage. Health plans, including grandfathered plans, must annually report on the share of premium dollars spent on medical care and provide consumer rebates for excessive medical loss ratios.



Reducing the Cost of Covering Early Retirees. Creates a new temporary reinsurance program to help companies that provide early retiree health benefits for those ages 55 64 offset the expensive cost of that coverage.



Strengthening Community Health Centers and the Primary Care Workforce. Provides funds to build new and expand existing community health centers, and expands funding for scholarships and loan repayments for primary care practitioners working in underserved areas.



Improving Consumer Assistance. Requires that any new group health plan or new plan in the individual market implement an effective appeals process for coverage determinations and claims.



Improving Consumer Information through the Web. Requires the Secretary of HHS to establish an Internet website through which residents of any State may identify affordable health insurance coverage options in that State. The website will also include information for small businesses about available coverage options, reinsurance for early retirees, small business tax credits, and other information of interest to small businesses. So called "mini med" or limited benefit plans will be precluded from listing their policies on this website.



Cracking Down on Health Care Fraud. Requires enhanced screening procedures for health care providers to eliminate fraud and waste in the health care system.



Rebates for the Part D "Donut Hole". Provides a $250 rebate for all Part D enrollees who enter the donut hole. Currently, the coverage gap falls between $2,700 and $6,154 in total drug costs.



Improving Public Health Prevention Efforts. Creates an interagency council to promote healthy policies at the federal level and establishes a prevention and public health investment fund to provide an expanded and sustained national investment in prevention and public health programs.



Strengthening the Quality Infrastructure. Additional resources provided to HHS to develop a national quality strategy and support quality measure development and endorsement for the Medicare, Medicaid and CHIP quality improvement programs.



Extending Payment Protections for Rural Providers. Extends Medicare payment protections for small rural hospitals, including hospital outpatient services, lab services, and facilities that have a low volume of Medicare patients, but play an important role in their communities.



Establishing a Patient Centered Outcomes Research Institute. Establish a private, non profit institute to identify national priorities and provide for research to compare the effectiveness of health treatments and strategies.



Ensuring Medicaid Flexibility for States. A new option allowing States to cover parents and childless adults up to 133 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) and receive current law Federal Medical Assistance Percentage (FMAP) will take effect.



Non Profit Hospitals. Establishes new requirements applicable to nonprofit hospitals beginning in 2010, including periodic community needs assessments.



Expanding the Adoption Credit and Adoption Assistance Program. Increases the adoption tax credit and adoption assistance exclusion by $1,000, makes the credit refundable, and extends the credit through 2011. The enhancements are effective for tax years beginning after December 31, 2009.



Encouraging Investment in New Therapies. A two year temporary credit subject to an overall cap of $1 billion to encourage investments in new therapies to prevent, diagnose, and treat acute and chronic diseases. The credit would be available for qualifying investments made in 2009 and 2010.



Tax Relief for Health Professionals with State Loan Repayment. Excludes from gross income payments made under any State loan repayment or loan forgiveness program that is intended to provide for the increased availability of health care services in underserved or health professional shortage areas. This provision is effective for amounts received by an individual in taxable years beginning after December 31, 2008.



Excluding from Income Health Benefits Provided by Indian Tribal Governments. Excludes from gross income the value of specified Indian tribal health benefits. The provision is effective for benefits and coverage provided after the date of enactment.



Establishing a National Health Care Workforce Commission. Establishes an independent National Commission to provide comprehensive, nonbiased information and recommendations to Congress and the Administration for aligning federal health care workforce resources with national needs.



Strengthening the Health Care Workforce. Expands and improves low interest student loan programs, scholarships, and loan repayments for health students and professionals to increase and enhance the capacity of the workforce to meet patients' health care needs.



Special Deduction for Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS). Requires that non profit BCBS organizations have a medical loss ratio of 85 percent or higher in order to take advantage of the special tax benefits provided to them under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 833, including the deduction for 25 percent of claims and expenses and the 100 percent deduction for unearned premium reserves.



Indoor Tanning Services Tax. Imposes a ten percent tax on amounts paid for indoor tanning services in lieu of the tax on cosmetic surgery. Indoor tanning services are services that use an electronic product with one or more ultraviolet lamps to induce skin tanning. The tax would be effective for services on or after July 1, 2010.
 

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[quote name="TSD"]





You have a much larger mob of uneducated fools behind Obamacare. "Awww shit Obama gonna pay fo my colonoscopy!"



[/quote]



Well, of course. How better to confirm if you have a pristine colon than to get someone else to pay for it?
 

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