ObamaCare And What It Means To You.

[JOVE23]

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Well, of course. How better to confirm if you have a pristine colon than to get someone else to pay for it?[/quote]



The patient and the taxpayer both get it up the ass!

 

[Shredder]

[quote name="noon"]Oh noes, it's complicated! No complicated endeavor is ever worthwhile.[/quote]

When it comes to government endeavors, it's most certainly true.

 

[noon]

[quote name="Shredder"]

When it comes to government endeavors, it's most certainly true.[/quote]



Well, that's a quaint idea, but as society progresses and becomes more complicated internationally, economically, technologically, etc., the governance of that society cannot remain simplistic and stagnant. Like it or not, the current health system, with or without the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, is complicated. This diagram would not be terribly simpler without the PPACA. You know what would really simplify this diagram? A single-payer health care system, but the gentleman from Texas who drew this thing up was opposed to that. Indeed, he and his colleagues were among those who insisted that the Act be as complicated as it is.



I'd love to see the chart that maps out the relationship between the IRS, our tax dollars, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, NASA, the military, Halliburton and other private military contractors, the FCC, universities, private research, the Executive Branch, and all of the other government departments, agencies, private corporations, etc. involved in our security. Maybe we can ask the same Congressman from the 8th District of Texas to draw that one up, too. Is that governmental enterprise too complicated? How about our current tax-payer funded patent system and its complex interplay between government agencies, courts, public and private research and development, and private corporate interests, not the least of which being big pharmaceutical companies?



I'm sure tribal law and rules governing Amish society are a lot simpler. The world is complicated. Until our economic structures, social and international relations, and technologies become simpler, the legal structures established for the harmonious functioning of the multitude of complexities and moving parts, insterests, rights, and obligations must evolve with structures and systems they govern.

 

[IceHogsFan]

[quote name="noon"]

The world is complicated. Until our economic structures, social and international relations, and technologies become simpler, the legal structures established for the harmonious functioning of the multitude of complexities and moving parts, insterests, rights, and obligations must evolve with structures and systems they govern.[/quote]



And government just complicates it further. I will disagree with the single payer system.

Our federal government has never run any social program efficiently and our world class health system will be dismantled piece by piece with our government running it. As I have stated numerous times on this board, if you feel the government can do a better job of running our healthcare then private industry then our discussion will end. You will never get me to agree otherwise and more then likely I am not going to change your opinion either.

 

[Shredder]

[quote name="noon"]I'm sure tribal law and rules governing Amish society are a lot simpler. The world is complicated. Until our economic structures, social and international relations, and technologies become simpler, the legal structures established for the harmonious functioning of the multitude of complexities and moving parts, insterests, rights, and obligations must evolve with structures and systems they govern.[/quote]

I'm confident that our new 3,000 page constitution over here in the EU will blaze a trail of simplicity for the world as a whole.

 

[IceHogsFan]

The Wrong Prescription

What the health care law cannot do

August 08, 2010|By Mark B. ConstantianLast month two other American plastic surgeons and I were the invited speakers at the Nordic Plastic Surgery Conference in Iceland (whose health care is ranked 15th by the World Health Organization ). How ironic, I thought, that organizers from the Nordic countries, heralded as models of universal health care systems, would invite surgeons from a country ranked No. 37 out of 40 by the WHO. The U.S. only exceeds Slovenia at No. 38, Cuba at No. 39, and Brunei at No. 40.



U.S. health reform legislation consumed our conversation. "Our government wants to create a system like yours," I said. They shook their heads in disbelief and said: "Don't do what we did."



Beginning, like the United States, with excellent intentions, each country's health care system evolved similarly. Initially, all care was covered.



But costs rose. The government covered fewer illnesses. Expensive treatments increased government spending. Physicians' hours were reduced: Danish physicians are limited to 37-hour work weeks; in France (ranked No. 1 by the WHO), the work week is 35 hours, about half of those worked by U.S. physicians. Taxes rose. Triple-digit waiting lists increased death rates, so protocols established penalties if patients were not treated within a proscribed number of days. Patients began buying private insurance for illnesses no longer covered by "universal care." The governments struggle with solvency. In France, the system faces bankruptcy. Being No. 1 has its price.



This is not an evolution that the U.S. can avoid: It is built into system dynamics. When the same set of circumstances produces the same unintended consequences in different countries, the inescapable conclusion is that we are dealing with an error-prone situation, not incompetent countries. There are things that health care laws cannot do, even in Nordic countries.

Read the rest here http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010 ... cription/2

 

[jaxhawksfan]

IHF don't bring other countries into this. We all know the USA is better and can handle anything. Alls I no is dat Obama gonna git me sum free doctors visits.