Of course, we'd all love Dwight Howard, but...

[Chicagolove]

At the expense of our front court depth and cap space.

I've seen this movie and I know how it ends, so we fans should focus on discussing potential 2's that the Bulls actually need instead of something that isn't going to happen.

Howard isn't the be all end all. If he was, Orlando would have at least ONE title, but they don't.

What is with you and being completely against bringing superstars to Chicago?
You did this last season with Melo and LeBron.
If we trade Boozer, Noah, Asik, and two first rounders for Howard, we'll also be able to clear up money to sign free agents, like a two-guard and defensive pieces. Trading those three isn't "gutting the team" by any means.

Look, if the Bulls want to win the championship anytime soon, They're going to need more than one superstar. If they only have one, Miami will beat them for the next 5 years.

 

[Glide2keva]

It's not about not wanting superstars. It's about filling the obvious holes in the team. Melo didn't fill those holes, lebron certainly doesn't fill the holes.

I wanted Wade and Bosh because they filled the holes the Bulls had which was PF and SG. We only got one out of the deal and it wasn't the best available. (I would've taken Bosh over Boozer)

Same scenario here. You guys are jizzing your pants over another superstar that has no chance to come here. If there was a possibility, I'd strongly consider it. But since it has absolutely no chance at happening, I'd rather worry about filling our need at SG, since we are pretty much set up front.

And I hate to break it to you, but trading away all of those solid players for one guy IS gutting the team. This is the best team we've had in 13 years. To bet the farm on Howard just isn't logical. We'd have Rose, Howard and scrubs. That just oozes second round exit to me.

 

[Glide2keva]

Our bench didn't let us down, and neither did our front court. No wing scoring and some horrible calls did us in, along with no one for Rose to pass off to in crucial situations.

I don't want out front court touched, unless we can dump Boozer for a PF that plays defense.

 

[nwfisch]

Our bench didn't let us down, and neither did our front court. No wing scoring and some horrible calls did us in, along with no one for Rose to pass off to in crucial situations.

I don't want out front court touched, unless we can dump Boozer for a PF that plays defense.

Boozer did let the Bulls down.

It's not about not wanting superstars. It's about filling the obvious holes in the team. Melo didn't fill those holes, lebron certainly doesn't fill the holes.

According to that logic, the Heat shouldn't have traded Michael Beasley to get Lebron because it wasn't a need. Noah is a great center, but Howard is so much better all around.

I wanted Wade and Bosh because they filled the holes the Bulls had which was PF and SG. We only got one out of the deal and it wasn't the best available. (I would've taken Bosh over Boozer)

Agree 100%

Same scenario here. You guys are jizzing your pants over another superstar that has no chance to come here. If there was a possibility, I'd strongly consider it. But since it has absolutely no chance at happening, I'd rather worry about filling our need at SG, since we are pretty much set up front.

There is a chance, unless you're Gar Forman or John Paxson, you can't say there is 0 chance.

And I hate to break it to you, but trading away all of those solid players for one guy IS gutting the team. This is the best team we've had in 13 years. To bet the farm on Howard just isn't logical. We'd have Rose, Howard and scrubs. That just oozes second round exit to me.

Miami seems to be doing well with 3 all-stars, that they bet the farm on.

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

The main thing about this Howard talk that I don't see being discussed much is....the good ol' "would he be willing/wanting to come to Chicago" in the first place?

It's all about what he wants....same thing played out for James, Bosh, Wade & Anthony. We'll see what D12 wants to do before we annoint him a Laker or even Bull or Celtic.

 

[Glide2keva]

The main thing about this Howard talk that I don't see being discussed much is....the good ol' "would he be willing/wanting to come to Chicago" in the first place?

It's all about what he wants....same thing played out for James, Bosh, Wade & Anthony. We'll see what D12 wants to do before we annoint him a Laker or even Bull or Celtic.

This. All of this is premature at best and best left for bar stool discussion. IMO

 

[nwfisch]

This. All of this is premature at best and best left for bar stool discussion. IMO

Isn't that what a forum is, bar discussion?

 

[Glide2keva]

Boozer did let the Bulls down.

Boozer, not Noah, Taj, Asik, and Deng. They were all very solid

According to that logic, the Heat shouldn't have traded Michael Beasley to get Lebron because it wasn't a need. Noah is a great center, but Howard is so much better all around.

Not the same situation, those guys all knew they were going to Miami in 2008. They why they structured their deals the way they did.

Agree 100%

Thanks

There is a chance, unless you're Gar Forman or John Paxson, you can't say there is 0 chance.

No, there isn't. We've seen this movie and it'll end the same way it usually ends.

Miami seems to be doing well with 3 all-stars, that they bet the farm on.

Again, they didn't really bet the farm. It was a plan set in motion already.

 

[Glide2keva]

Isn't that what a forum is, bar discussion?

true, but this place will become dominated by Howard talk like it did with the Melo talk and the T-Mac talk and the lebron talk. None of which landed those players here.

 

[nwfisch]

Again, they didn't really bet the farm. It was a plan set in motion already.

Wade James Bosh Chalmers and Haslem were the only 5 players they had. To me its clear they were all in on those 3 and didn't care about the bench.

They had to fill out their roster with veteran minimums, rookie contracts and MLE.

 

[nwfisch]

true, but this place will become dominated by Howard talk like it did with the Melo talk and the T-Mac talk and the lebron talk. None of which landed those players here.

Well you can contribute draft threads or whatever. As far as I'm concerned, Rush didn't take away your right to start a thread.

 

[Chicagolove]

Horrible deal that Orlando is pushing for


Uhh, absolutely not. That would be an absolutely awful deal for the Bulls.

After this hypothetical trade, our line-up would be:

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Gilbert Arenas
SF: Kyle Korver
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Dwight Howard


And poor depth...

 

[clonetrooper264]

Horrible deal that Orlando is pushing for


Uhh, absolutely not. That would be an absolutely awful deal for the Bulls.

After this hypothetical trade, our line-up would be:

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Gilbert Arenas
SF: Kyle Korver
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Dwight Howard


And poor depth...

That actually might be bad enough that'd I'd not do it. Unless we can somehow get a third team involved and get them to take Arenas in exchange for some kind of reasonably good SF. This trade would make us essentially like the Magic are right now: give the ball to Dwight and kick out to 3pt shooters. The one difference is Rose, and that could make all the difference, but who the heck is going to backup our front court?

I don't think this helps us beat Miami at all...

 

[Glide2keva]

Horrible deal that Orlando is pushing for


Uhh, absolutely not. That would be an absolutely awful deal for the Bulls.

After this hypothetical trade, our line-up would be:

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Gilbert Arenas
SF: Kyle Korver
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Dwight Howard


And poor depth...

No, that's a championship team right there.

 

[Glide2keva]

That actually might be bad enough that'd I'd not do it. Unless we can somehow get a third team involved and get them to take Arenas in exchange for some kind of reasonably good SF. This trade would make us essentially like the Magic are right now: give the ball to Dwight and kick out to 3pt shooters. The one difference is Rose, and that could make all the difference, but who the heck is going to backup our front court?

I don't think this helps us beat Miami at all...

Well we don't need any front court depth because Howard can do everything by himself.

It's not far-fetched to think that this deal could involve as many as 10 players.

From Chicago's side, Carlos Boozer, Luol Deng and Ronnie Brewer are the big contracts they would send. Taj Gibson, Omer Asik and Joakim Noah represent the promising young talent.

Orlando would send Dwight Howard and Gilbert Arenas—plus Ryan Anderson and J.J. Redick to balance the deal.

You can keep that.

 

[Chicagolove]

No, that's a championship team right there.

Haha... Are you serious right now?
No team with Kyle Korver as the starting SF will win the championship

 

[kellmanX]

If we go for Howard, the prize will be so high that I belive we can forget about the championship next season. But for the future we may be in a position to dominate the NBA. Its a tough call.. Looks nice though

 

[Glide2keva]

Haha... Are you serious right now?
No team with Kyle Korver as the starting SF will win the championship

Sarcasm. I'm going off of what these "experts" on this site would say. Dwight + Rose + scrubs = Championship.

 

[warmonger]

The Heat won because they have 2.5 superstars and the Bulls have 1...and that one did a good amount of choking. The Bulls were able to handle Wade, but could not do much with James and Bosh. The Heat erased Rose and besides championship defense there was nothing there impeding them.

Bring in another superstar and you have a totally different look. Bring two guys that command double teams and you put a lot of pressure on Miami.

When I see idiots say things like "if Howard was so good he would have at least one title..." it lets me know that people don't do anything but fall in love with mediocre players wearing the uniform. Its easy to see why Howard didn't win a championship yet. It takes a while. Miami has 2 of the top 5 players in the league. Howard, in my book, is better than any two frontcourt Bulls players combined. Depth got you a 4-1 series loss...talent put Miami in the Finals.

I am not saying the Bulls will get Howard or even have a good chance. Getting a good shooting guard is a good thing...getting a future HOF center is another thing entirely...

Bringing in a shooting guard is not going to solve the Bulls problems,they need a dynamic, high efficient scorer who can carry the burden when D Rose is having a terrible stretch. I am tired of hearing about all the so-called front court dept that we have.Noah and Asik are terrible offensively, and are not going to get significantly better.Look at Noah's stats the last two game 5s and you will see why we went home. I agree with you 100%, only an uninformed fanatic would turn down the opportunity to acquire D. Howard.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Sarcasm. I'm going off of what these "experts" on this site would say. Dwight + Rose+ scrubs = Championship.

Nobody would say that, and the Magic will try to get all they can for Dwight. They won't get that much from the Bulls anyway.