Offensive HC needed for QB development?

Bearshomer

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Manning, Brady, Ben, and Wilson had defensive HC their entire career. Bree’s has a defensive HC his first five seasons. Romo has defensive HCs his first seven seasons. Rivers had a defensive HC his first three seasons. That’s most (but not all) of the first and second tier QBs drafted in the past 20 years. Lots of successful third tier QBs (Ryan, Stafford, Palmer) have developed primarily under defensive coaches as well.

Let’s consider five possibilities

1: Trubisky will be a success no matter what because of his his abilities/mentality/talent

2: Trubisky will be a failure no matter what because of his abilities/mentality/talent

3: Trubisky needs a the right coach to develop, but we pick the wrong one (hiring a “QB Guru” who was at the right place at the right time and took credit for success he had nothing to do with elsewhere)

4: Trubisky need the right coach to develop, and it happens under a defensive (or STs) coach with the right offensive staff

5: Trubisky needs the right coach to develop, and we hire an offensive HC who pulls it off with or without the help of his staff


How likely is each scenario?

It seems strange (not really), but most of the people who think Trubisky need the right offensive staff also thought there was no reason not to start him the entire season, arguing that nothing is fundamentally wrong with him and all he need is experience. If Trubisky needs coaching to fix him, that implies that the staff was right to sit him and try to rework him while easing him into the league instead of throwing him out there with his bad habits.

I personally don’t see Trubisky as someone who needs to be reworked. He just needs experience.

The team needs to hire the best candidate regardless of specialty, no more spending a decade trying to fix a guy we have people build a cult following for. If someone with an offensive speciality is the best candidate, so be it. But Trubisky has no particular reason not to improve under a defensive HC and the team has no reason not to acquire competent offensive coaching just because they hire a defense guy or Toub. Most of the recent HoF QBs spent their early careers under defensive coaches. Reaching on a guy who isn’t widely regarded as one of the top choices, or who is just a one year wonder, to fix a QB is one of the most reliable ways to get a Trestman.
 

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I think Trubisky just needs a good 40 year old hooker.
 

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BB was a defensive guy that helped create the GOAT.

Trubs needs a competent HC who holds everyone accountable....a good OC and a good QB coach. While the HC matters in terms of strategy etc.. the day to day.. its about OC, QB coach and the other Qbs in the room.

Unless said HC is basically your OC
 

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Manning, Brady, Ben, and Wilson had defensive HC their entire career. Bree’s has a defensive HC his first five seasons. Romo has defensive HCs his first seven seasons. Rivers had a defensive HC his first three seasons. That’s most (but not all) of the first and second tier QBs drafted in the past 20 years. Lots of successful third tier QBs (Ryan, Stafford, Palmer) have developed primarily under defensive coaches as well.

Let’s consider five possibilities

1: Trubisky will be a success no matter what because of his his abilities/mentality/talent

2: Trubisky will be a failure no matter what because of his abilities/mentality/talent

3: Trubisky needs a the right coach to develop, but we pick the wrong one (hiring a “QB Guru” who was at the right place at the right time and took credit for success he had nothing to do with elsewhere)

4: Trubisky need the right coach to develop, and it happens under a defensive (or STs) coach with the right offensive staff

5: Trubisky needs the right coach to develop, and we hire an offensive HC who pulls it off with or without the help of his staff


How likely is each scenario?

It seems strange (not really), but most of the people who think Trubisky need the right offensive staff also thought there was no reason not to start him the entire season, arguing that nothing is fundamentally wrong with him and all he need is experience. If Trubisky needs coaching to fix him, that implies that the staff was right to sit him and try to rework him while easing him into the league instead of throwing him out there with his bad habits.

I personally don’t see Trubisky as someone who needs to be reworked. He just needs experience.

The team needs to hire the best candidate regardless of specialty, no more spending a decade trying to fix a guy we have people build a cult following for. If someone with an offensive speciality is the best candidate, so be it. But Trubisky has no particular reason not to improve under a defensive HC and the team has no reason not to acquire competent offensive coaching just because they hire a defense guy or Toub. Most of the recent HoF QBs spent their early careers under defensive coaches. Reaching on a guy who isn’t widely regarded as one of the top choices, or who is just a one year wonder, to fix a QB is one of the most reliable ways to get a Trestman.


Yep, we don't need a QB whisperer, we need a talented head coach!!
 

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Biscuit needs stability at the HC, OC, and QB coach positions. Back when Brady, Manning and the like developed it was less likely to have your position coach poached. All the top tier QB have benefited from scheme stability. Lovie could never knew not jack nor shit about offense and kept a revolving door of his buddies to “fix” it.

I think Biscuit could be very good without a “offensive mind” as long as we have a good OC that doesn’t get poached in 2 years.
 

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Brady had one of the best play callers I’ve ever seen in Weis to start his career (he made Testaverde look good). The bottom line is that the QB needs a coach and stability of scheme to maximize his potential.
If a defensive coach can offer that via a offensive coach who will stick around, that’s great but that will be something hard to pull off.


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