Official IGT For Cubs Spring Training Games

[Jntg4]

Garza had rough day but when coming in 3rd inning plus 1st game as cub prolly nervous.

Better not be nervous against Pitt.

 

[Captain Obvious]

How the F can he think Byrd sucks?

Base hit for Garza!

I don't. He is just average.

IDK, he says that Byrd is average at best.

I never said average at best. I said average.

2012:
Soriano/Colvin, Byrd/Colvin, Jackson/Colvin, (rotation in OF), Pujols, Barney, Castro, Vitters, Soto, Dempster, Zambrano, Garza, Cashner, McNutt.

You don't get that Jackson is a CFer, do you?

Must kill Milwaukee.

Garza, Shark, Grabow, et al blew this game. Great job for the starters (except Kosuke, he had the walk and nothing else), Vitters, and Barney. Marmol and Z did good too.

I absolutely love how you treat this game like it well... matters.

I love how you say that Kosuke didn't do a good job, too. He did the same exact thing as Pena. Just had a walk. And DeWitt started too, he went 0-3 with 5 LOB, but Kosuke gets a mention for not doing well

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

I don't. He is just average.

What statistics are you looking at? Because I'm seeing a .293 average, which is definitely above average. Granted, 66 RBIs and 12 HRs is significantly lower than what I was expecting, and 90+ strike outs isn't fantastic, but i think the .293 average pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[Jntg4]

What statistics are you looking at? Because I'm seeing a .293 average, which is definitely above average. Granted, 66 RBIs and 12 HRs is significantly lower than what I was expecting, and 90+ strike outs isn't fantastic, but i think the .293 average pretty much speaks for itself.

CO thinks Batting Average does not matter at all.

To him, you could bat .050 if you have a decent OBP.

 

[Captain Obvious]

What statistics are you looking at? Because I'm seeing a .293 average, which is definitely above average. Granted, 66 RBIs and 12 HRs is significantly lower than what I was expecting, and 90+ strike outs isn't fantastic, but i think the .293 average pretty much speaks for itself.

Well, it's AVG... so it doesn't really speak for anything. His .343 wOBA does speak for itself, as it ranked him 13th out of 27th for CFers last year. And his 106 wRC+, which ranks him 16th out of 27. His .429 SLG ranked him 14th out of 27. His OBP 8th out of 27, which is his highest out of the set of stats, but it's not really anything special. Plus, his SLG was the lowest it has been in 3 years. Things aren't exactly looking up for Byrd.

 

[Captain Obvious]

CO thinks Batting Average does not matter at all.

To him, you could bat .050 if you have a decent OBP.

Why does BA matter then? Baseball is about scoring runs. You score runs by getting on base. It's baseball. Not Hitball. Hits don't mean shit to me and they shouldn't mean shit to you.

 

[Jntg4]

You don't get that Jackson is a CFer, do you?


I absolutely love how you treat this game like it well... matters.

I love how you say that Kosuke didn't do a good job, too. He did the same exact thing as Pena. Just had a walk. And DeWitt started too, he went 0-3 with 5 LOB, but Kosuke gets a mention for not doing well

Jackson can play anywhere in the OF. RF is where there will probably be the first opening.

Not mattering is an opinion. I want to see success in the spring to build upon going into the regular season and want to see the young players do good.

Kosuke led off, Pena I forgot to mention. DeWitt batted 8th, it isn't as important what he did, but he did do terrible.

 

[Jntg4]

Why does BA matter then? Baseball is about scoring runs. You score runs by getting on base. It's baseball. Not Hitball. Hits don't mean shit to me and they shouldn't mean shit to you.

A hit is better than a walk in some cases.

Example, runner at 3rd, 1 out.

A) You get a single, run scores.
B) You walk, runner doesn't advance.

Next batter grounds into a double play.

And getting on-base isn't it. you don't have to get on base:

Example, runner at 3rd, 1 out.

A) You walk, you get on-base, runner doesn't advance.
B) You hit it to the warning track, runner tags up and scores.

Next batter grounds to second.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Jackson can play anywhere in the OF. RF is where there will probably be the first opening.

Not mattering is an opinion. I want to see success in the spring to build upon going into the regular season and want to see the young players do good.

Kosuke led off, Pena I forgot to mention. DeWitt batted 8th, it isn't as important what he did, but he did do terrible.

How do you figure there will be an opening there first? We have Colvin AND Fukudome there. You really need to open your eyes to see that Byrd probably won't be here next year.

Not mattering is a fact. It has no barring on the World Series. It's to get them ready for the real thing. I'd much rather see the rough patches now.

Kosuke led off and did his job... he got on base. Duh.

A hit is better than a walk in some cases.

Example, runner at 3rd, 1 out.

A) You get a single, run scores.
B) You walk, runner doesn't advance.

Next batter grounds into a double play.

And getting on-base isn't it. you don't have to get on base:

Example, runner at 3rd, 1 out.

A) You walk, you get on-base, runner doesn't advance.
B) You hit it to the warning track, runner tags up and scores.

Next batter grounds to second.

In some cases? Sure. But how often is that going to happen?

Plus, getting on base guarantees that the inning is kept alive. That's a good thing in baseball.

I'd rather have my guy get on base than get out. What about that don't you get?

 

[Jntg4]

How do you figure there will be an opening there first? We have Colvin AND Fukudome there. You really need to open your eyes to see that Byrd probably won't be here next year.

Not mattering is a fact. It has no barring on the World Series. It's to get them ready for the real thing. I'd much rather see the rough patches now.

Kosuke led off and did his job... he got on base. Duh.



In some cases? Sure. But how often is that going to happen?

Plus, getting on base guarantees that the inning is kept alive. That's a good thing in baseball.

I'd rather have my guy get on base than get out. What about that don't you get?

How often is it going to happen? Sure CO, runner at 3rd and nobody else on, or runner at 2nd with 2 outs and you need a double to knock him in is SO rare.

And getting a hit continues the inning too, but you actually have a chance to knock in the run. The only time a walk scores a run is if the bases are loaded.

Sure, Kosuke walked once. His day beyond that was nothing special. Beyond his first PA, he did nothing. And everyone was hammering Cahill.

Sure, it has no barring on the World Series. But then did no games after Piniella retired matter at all either then? We were basically eliminated at that point.

 

[Captain Obvious]

How often is it going to happen? Sure CO, runner at 3rd and nobody else on, or runner at 2nd with 2 outs and you need a double to knock him in is SO rare.

And getting a hit continues the inning too, but you actually have a chance to knock in the run. The only time a walk scores a run is if the bases are loaded.

Sure, Kosuke walked once. His day beyond that was nothing special. Beyond his first PA, he did nothing. And everyone was hammering Cahill.

Sure, it has no barring on the World Series. But then did no games after Piniella retired matter at all either then? We were basically eliminated at that point.

You are basing your argument off of a very specific instance. Over the course of a season, there are going to be over 6,000 PAs. MAYBE 300ish will be those two occurrences. If you want to model your team for 3% of the time, go ahead. But I would much rather have a team for that other 97%. AND getting on base in those instances doesn't hurt you at all, either. Have you ever played baseball? If so, then you should know that all that matters is getting on base. It doesn't matter how. Look at it this way... a new player starts baseball and they tell him to just get on base. After the game he looks at the stats and see AVG... it only takes into account hits. How does that make sense, when he is told to just get on base. Whether it be via BB, HBP, whatever.

Why are you so anti-Fukudome? Is it that hard to see that he is actually an asset to this team?

That's not exactly true, some of those games mattered for the other teams. But basically, yes, they don't matter.

 

[Jntg4]

You are basing your argument off of a very specific instance. Over the course of a season, there are going to be over 6,000 PAs. MAYBE 300ish will be those two occurrences. If you want to model your team for 3% of the time, go ahead. But I would much rather have a team for that other 97%. AND getting on base in those instances doesn't hurt you at all, either. Have you ever played baseball? If so, then you should know that all that matters is getting on base. It doesn't matter how. Look at it this way... a new player starts baseball and they tell him to just get on base. After the game he looks at the stats and see AVG... it only takes into account hits. How does that make sense, when he is told to just get on base. Whether it be via BB, HBP, whatever.

Why are you so anti-Fukudome? Is it that hard to see that he is actually an asset to this team?

That's not exactly true, some of those games mattered for the other teams. But basically, yes, they don't matter.

I'm not anti-Fukudome. He just doesn't do enough to drive in runs. As lead-off, fine, he does his job. But I'd rather have Colvin knocking in runs.

And I still disagree. You can have a team that walks a ton. You can walk 27 times in a game and still get shutout.

What matters is runs. You score by knocking people in. It takes 4 walks vs. 1, 2, or 3, hits to score.

Now, a walk is just as good as a SINGLE, sure. But it is not just as good as a HIT, because HITS also include doubles, triples, and home runs, which all amount to more.

So yes, Average does matter. Maybe OBP matters more, but Hits definitely do matter.

 

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in less than 30 hours this thread has 330+ posts...

jntg is a true post whore.

 

[Jntg4]

in less than 30 hours this thread has 330+ posts...

jntg is a true post whore.

It's an IGT, I post in those. :shrug:

I had 236 posts the day of the Bears-Packers game, because of the IGT.

Code's a bigger post whore.

IGT isn't really post whoring.

:shrug:

 

[Jntg4]

Game 2:

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Milwaukee is on a split-squad, so we have an advantage.

 

[Dan0mite]

Game 2:

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Milwaukee is on a split-squad, so we have an advantage.

The fact that this has to be stated is a bad sign.

 

[Jntg4]

The fact that this has to be stated is a bad sign.

Eh, I just saw the Milwaukee was split-squad, so I wrote it.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I'm not anti-Fukudome. He just doesn't do enough to drive in runs. As lead-off, fine, he does his job. But I'd rather have Colvin knocking in runs.

And I still disagree. You can have a team that walks a ton. You can walk 27 times in a game and still get shutout.

What matters is runs. You score by knocking people in. It takes 4 walks vs. 1, 2, or 3, hits to score.

Now, a walk is just as good as a SINGLE, sure. But it is not just as good as a HIT, because HITS also include doubles, triples, and home runs, which all amount to more.

So yes, Average does matter. Maybe OBP matters more, but Hits definitely do matter.

He doesn't drive in runs, because he hits in the 1 spot. That's not exactly a position in the line up where you can drive in runs. Plus, you can't drive in runs if they aren't on base. I'll get back to this in a minute...

It's really comical at how much you under value a walk. Yes, it is as good as a hit. It doesn't record an out. That's just as good as a hit. How do you not see this?

No, average doesn't matter. If a player can hit .050 and still get on base at a .350 clip, he is a damn good player. A walk doesn't record an out. Therefore, it is just as good as a hit.

The problem with batting average is that it tells nothing about the type of hit. Ex. A Bunt single is the same as a grand slam. Plus, it doesn't take into account HBP or BB.

You can be 100 for 300 with 90 singles and 10 doubles and be considered as good of a run producer as a player that is 100 for 300 with 60 singles, 20 doubles, 5 triples and 10 big flies. It’s obvious that the second player provided more run driving value, but both players are .300 hitters.

Because it is all about scoring, we can agree on that... you should know that BA doesn't correlate very well at all to runs scored.

Back to Colvin and Fukudome... like I said, BA doesn't correlate very well to runs scored. You know what does? OPS. Last year, Colvin had an OPS of .007 points higher than Fukudome. So, if you really think that Colvin can sustain a .500 SLG%, then yes, Colvin is slightly more valuable with the bat. This isn't bringing into play the glove. But do you really think that Colvin can sustain a .500 SLG%?

 

[Jntg4]

He doesn't drive in runs, because he hits in the 1 spot. That's not exactly a position in the line up where you can drive in runs. Plus, you can't drive in runs if they aren't on base. I'll get back to this in a minute...

It's really comical at how much you under value a walk. Yes, it is as good as a hit. It doesn't record an out. That's just as good as a hit. How do you not see this?

No, average doesn't matter. If a player can hit .050 and still get on base at a .350 clip, he is a damn good player. A walk doesn't record an out. Therefore, it is just as good as a hit.

The problem with batting average is that it tells nothing about the type of hit. Ex. A Bunt single is the same as a grand slam. Plus, it doesn't take into account HBP or BB.

You can be 100 for 300 with 90 singles and 10 doubles and be considered as good of a run producer as a player that is 100 for 300 with 60 singles, 20 doubles, 5 triples and 10 big flies. It’s obvious that the second player provided more run driving value, but both players are .300 hitters.

Because it is all about scoring, we can agree on that... you should know that BA doesn't correlate very well at all to runs scored.

Back to Colvin and Fukudome... like I said, BA doesn't correlate very well to runs scored. You know what does? OPS. Last year, Colvin had an OPS of .007 points higher than Fukudome. So, if you really think that Colvin can sustain a .500 SLG%, then yes, Colvin is slightly more valuable with the bat. This isn't bringing into play the glove. But do you really think that Colvin can sustain a .500 SLG%?

See, hits can matter more, depending on the type of hit. I said that a single and walk are the same most of the time, but a double, triple, or homer is better, which is what I had been saying.

Average is not the best stat, right. But you said hits don't matter. Hits do matter, depending on the type.

Wait... you meant the Hits stat, didn't you? As in the total # of hits. I thought you meant any hit in a game... or did you mean that?

 

[Captain Obvious]

See, hits can matter more, depending on the type of hit. I said that a single and walk are the same most of the time, but a double, triple, or homer is better, which is what I had been saying.

Average is not the best stat, right. But you said hits don't matter. Hits do matter, depending on the type.

Wait... you meant the Hits stat, didn't you? As in the total # of hits. I thought you meant any hit in a game... or did you mean that?

Hits do have more value than a walk, yes. Average sucks. Hits don't matter. Yes, the stat hits. They don't distinguish between a HR and a 2B. There's a problem there.