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Your claim was Raiders should send us a gift basket. The only way to evaluate that is to see who they got for Mack and the fact is their return is what it is.
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Your claim was Raiders should send us a gift basket. The only way to evaluate that is to see who they got for Mack and the fact is their return is what it is.
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It was a joke. If you read any of my posts in the thread, you would realize I think donating money to millionaires is stupid. But I guess its like the people donating for trumps election fraud defense. More power to you if you want to waste your money.
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Yeah revisionist history. The main issue with the Mack trade is Bears drafted 4M over Watson and Mahomes and 4M never developed. Really has fuck all to do with Mack.
An average NFL offense (ie 16th) and we are a perennial playoff team.
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That was a mirage too. Look closer at 2018. This team needed to build an Oline and skill positions before giving away huge Draft capital and hammering the cap for guy that doesn’t touch the ball.
And you are talking about 1 year. The trade cost should have been for years to come.
And you are talking about 1 year. The trade cost should have been successful for years to come.
This team wasn’t ready for Mack. It was a premature transaction. It’s been proven now.
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Ok but not sure how you want us to evaluate the trade then. Mack is the 2nd best edge in the NFL and we also got Kmet.
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results. The bears had a fluke season and suck now and can't get out of macks contract. Raiders on the other hand have the arrow pointing up.
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But we had the ability to build an OL and skill positions. We just chose not to which isnt on Mack.
This team was ready for Mack. Pace and Nagy just fucked it up by not following through.
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You lost two 1st round picks which are very valuable because of cost control for 5 seasons. With mack you got an albotross contract with a declining cap.
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Raiders aren't winning a Super Bowl.
next.
next.
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I disagree. For the price they paid for Mack, that should have been the missing piece. 3 short year later, Mack needs to be traded to rebuild.
This team wasn’t ready for the Mack trade.
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But those results arent the fault of Mack. Nor are the Raiders winning really soley the result of who they picked up.
By this logic no one on this team is worth it. We should not have signed ARob, Jackson, Hicks or anyone else on the team. So just never make any move until all the pieces in place.
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Arob was good pickup. None of those guys are putting the bears in cap hell and Arob will probably walk next season. No one is blaming mack. Not his fault pace gave him all that money.
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But he was the missing piece if Pace and Navy were good at their jobs.
You are basically saying Pace and Nagy should have assumed they were a terrible GM and coach and realized they fucked up with 4M.
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No we suck so by your logic ARob was not a good signing. Results matter remember. Do we have results with ARob? Yes or no?
We arent in cap hell because we pay a great player good money. We are in cap hell because we gave money to bums like Leno and Massie.
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One player by themself doesn't put a team in cap hell even with a top contract. The problem with the Bears is that they have multiple players underperforming their contracts.
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So you let him walk. Do we lose draft picks? No. Now what about mack. Can you do that? You are out picks you trade for him and lose cap flexibility with him.
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Thats fine. He can be the best edge rusher in the league but it doesn’t matter if he’s on a bad team.
This team wasn’t ready for the trade. Mack or any edge rusher ever , isn’t someone you build a team around or dump the future into. This team wasn’t ready for Mack. TheBears needed those draft picks and cap space before Mack ever stepped into Halas Hall.
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You say out of picks but Mack and Kmet have provided more value IMO than Jacobs and Arnette. You are pretending the lost picks woukd have provided more value which is likely false.
See above. Those draft picks would likely provide less value than Mack and Kmet so what is your point?
Are you building a team around Jacobs and Arnette? Or are you pretending Pace magically drafts 2 studs with those picks when he has largely failed with 1st round picks thus far.
Who are the 2 players we could have reasonably taken that provide more value?
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Again this is a silly way to evaluate trades because those wouldn't have been the guys that bears have drafted. We don't know.
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Ok so who would the Bears have reasonably taken? It is not evaluating a trade to simply whine without offerring an alternative.
If we dont know then you are in no position to claim it was the wrong move.
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