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[JoJoBoxer]

It's pre-season on CCS...

It's like he forgot about the brouhaha that happened over the ... was it 8? ... tight ends a few preseasons ago?

 

[Anytime23]

I went back last night and was looking at some of the msg board talk (mostly Bears reddit) and articles back in Jan when they were trying to decide who the next DC would be. I think Desai's apparent charisma (which I'm sure Nagy can relate to) probably got him the nod over Jay Rodgers (who had way more experience as a position coach and a better performing position group, imo).

I like Desai, but I really liked Jay Rodgers. Also, I think Nagy heard all the whispers about how he fucked up "letting Brandon Staley out of the building" and didn't want to risk losing Desai in the same fashion.

Yeah I don't remember how i felt about who was in the running or who was rumored. Until Fields was drafted, it was all just a blur. I was totally indifferent. But i'm going to take the wait and see approach with him. I think the injuries to Hicks, Mack and Quinn obviously hurt. No Goldman. Danny T took a long time to get going last season. On top of that they spent most of the year playing with an offense that couldnt score, as usual. I actually think its impressive that they somehow managed to be 14th in points.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Why are they just letting him stand around tho? Someone should be in his face shoving his face in the game.

More like ...

to keep the weight off his back.

 

[legendxofxlink]

I went back last night and was looking at some of the msg board talk (mostly Bears reddit) and articles back in Jan when they were trying to decide who the next DC would be. I think Desai's apparent charisma (which I'm sure Nagy can relate to) probably got him the nod over Jay Rodgers (who had way more experience as a position coach and a better performing position group, imo).

I like Desai, but I really liked Jay Rodgers. Also, I think Nagy heard all the whispers about how he fucked up "letting Brandon Staley out of the building" and didn't want to risk losing Desai in the same fashion.

Chargers defense will be really good. I was not happy losing Jay, especially to a lateral position..

 

[Aquineas]

Yes. He's definitely not not playing the correct way.

I don't mean his play, I mean from an injury perspective. I hope I'm wrong, but missing the first 10 days of camp, does not bode well for this season.

 

[botfly10]

I want that article

 

[botfly10]

But there really isn't anyone that was going to get re-signed to that type of deal anytime soon, so making him prove it 1 more season wouldn't have improved his value. Maybe he ends up earning every bit, but as a GM I would have held off 1 more season.
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lol cant believe how much they payed Dak

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

lol cant believe how much they payed Dak

Can’t believe how much a lot of those QBs are getting paid.

 

[Brownie]

Yeah I don't remember how i felt about who was in the running or who was rumored. Until Fields was drafted, it was all just a blur. I was totally indifferent. But i'm going to take the wait and see approach with him. I think the injuries to Hicks, Mack and Quinn obviously hurt. No Goldman. Danny T took a long time to get going last season. On top of that they spent most of the year playing with an offense that couldnt score, as usual. I actually think its impressive that they somehow managed to be 14th in points.

I remember watching a segment a while back of Jay Rodgers in the film room with his guys. You can tell they all had a cool bond and understanding of what the expectation for the group was. At the same time, JR seemed more like a tough, no-nonsense type in that Fangio personality mode... While Desai comes off as a little bit better communicator, motivator and more calculated type. At least from afar.

I just hope the personality brings the needed results.

Chargers defense will be really good. I was not happy losing Jay, especially to a lateral position..

True, but totally understandable. If they weren't going to make him DC at this point + who knows how long the current regime will last if Nagy can't prove he can field an average offense. JR had to go on to greener pastures and a guaranteed 3 year run with friends.. Not to mention in Southern Cali.

 

[botfly10]

I like this guy

 

[JoJoBoxer]

It really is getting ridiculous. Yes QB is the most important position, but consistently dropping almost a third of the salary cap on one player really screws over the more "rank & file" positions.

Don't know how you reign it in without completely reworking the parameters of free agency.

Simple. You don't.

You deal with reality, not with a false narrative like "consistently dropping almost a third of the salary cap" on a QB.

Let's look at reality.

In 2021, Russell Wilson is the top paid QB with a cap hit of 32 million or 17. 4 percent of the cap.
In 2022, Matt Ryan would be the top paid QB with a cap hit of 48.6 million or 23.4 percent of the cap, but he probably will be released or sign for a lessor figure.
In 2023, Patrick Mahomes will be the top paid QB with a cap hit of 46.8 million or 19.5 percent of the cap.

1. No QB was paid close to 33.3 percent of the cap.
2. Notice how the top salary cap from 2022 to 2023 dropped 1.8 million while the percentage dropped 3.9 percentage points? Does that mean that the salary cap is (1.8 million)*(100)/3.9= 46 million? No, it means that the salary cap is going to continue to increase, making the same amount of salary will be a much smaller percentage of the cap.
3. There will be young QBs who will get larger salaries, but the higher salary cap hits will happen much later in the contract where the salary cap increase will easily absorb it. Want proof? Read point 4.
4. Patrick Mahomes salary in 2021 is 25.8 million dollars which is 13.7 percent of the cap. His 2026 salary is going to be a little less than 42 million dollars while his percentage will drop to 6.83 percent of the cap.
5. Now that there has been a precedent with Mahomes, teams would be stupid to not make similar contracts for young stud QBs like Fields (or so I hope he becomes that).

Now one of the stupidest thing I have heard is the talk of making some cap for QBs (the ones who should make the most) or doing something like what happened in the NBA.

Imagine that the cap becomes 10% max for a QB:

1. Teams would still do the save-money-this-year-and-pass-the-larger-salaries-till-the-end-of-the-contract. Mahomes in 2021 would not have gotten 25.8 million dollars (13.7%) because that would be over the cap of 10%. He also would not have gotten 10% because of the save-money-blah-blah-blah way of business (maybe 8%). They would have given him a much smaller 2021 salary and maybe, he would have gotten closer to 10% in 2026 (8%)?
2. So, in the end, a top level QB would basically be an 8% hit on the salary cap every year.
3. Do you think that the money saved would go to the rank and file? Smile.
4. Now using the NBA model (which ruined the NBA).
   1. Imagine a still young, potentially future GOAT Patrick "Lebron" Mahomes talking to top free agents to join him in KC.
      1. Hill and Kelce would have 5% caps for top TE/WR. The top LT would get 6%. Nelson would come for 4%. The top center, RG and RT would come for 3%, 3% and 3%. Top RBs are always undervalued so 3% for him. That is 40% of the cap. Add another top WR for 5%. 45%.
      2. Play the same games on defense for 45% of the cap.
      3. There is a whole 10% to fill the rest of the roster.
      4. Bottom 30 or so players would still receive "peanuts".
      5. The NFL would be ruined.
5. Even worse is the "QBs should be outside of the Salary Cap" idea.
   1. Imagine the idea above (4), but worse.
      1. Since Mahomes' salary is now off the books, there is an additional 8% of the salary cap to pick up 2 to 3 top players ... as backups.
      2. The bottom 30 are not going to see any of that money. In fact, two or three are going to lose their jobs because of #3 below.
      3. Since QB salaries are off the books, once Fields, Trevor Lawrence, and Lance(?) become free agents ... and they will not sign with their old teams if they are not forced to, because they have zero chance of winning a championship against the All-Pro Kansas City Chiefs, they will all sign with Kansas City because there are no salary cap implications. They can each make a fortune and the NFL could not do anything about it.
      4. KC will suddenly be like an all-star baseball team. Week 1 Mahomes, Week 2 Fields, Week 3 Lawrence. Lance is the end-of-games reliever.

Wanting to help the lower tier player is laudable. But even the lower tier players are making 660,000 dollars a year.

Ask yourself, "Do I make $660,000 a year currently?

Most of us are going to answer, "No".

 

[Bearly]

I don't mean his play, I mean from an injury perspective. I hope I'm wrong, but missing the first 10 days of camp, does not bode well for this season.

It was regarding the report of his sideline demeanor. It's getting ridiculous.

 

[Bearly]

I like this guy

I bet they do too. Keeping it a game. Now all we need to see is how good he is at the business end of X's and O's during games.

 

[Bearly]

Simple. You don't.

You deal with reality, not with a false narrative like "consistently dropping almost a third of the salary cap" on a QB.

Let's look at reality.

In 2021, Russell Wilson is the top paid QB with a cap hit of 32 million or 17. 4 percent of the cap.
In 2022, Matt Ryan would be the top paid QB with a cap hit of 48.6 million or 23.4 percent of the cap, but he probably will be released or sign for a lessor figure.
In 2023, Patrick Mahomes will be the top paid QB with a cap hit of 46.8 million or 19.5 percent of the cap.

1. No QB was paid close to 33.3 percent of the cap.
2. Notice how the top salary cap from 2022 to 2023 dropped 1.8 million while the percentage dropped 3.9 percentage points? Does that mean that the salary cap is (1.8 million)*(100)/3.9= 46 million? No, it means that the salary cap is going to continue to increase, making the same amount of salary will be a much smaller percentage of the cap.
3. There will be young QBs who will get larger salaries, but the higher salary cap hits will happen much later in the contract where the salary cap increase will easily absorb it. Want proof? Read point 4.
4. Patrick Mahomes salary in 2021 is 25.8 million dollars which is 13.7 percent of the cap. His 2026 salary is going to be a little less than 42 million dollars while his percentage will drop to 6.83 percent of the cap.
5. Now that there has been a precedent with Mahomes, teams would be stupid to not make similar contracts for young stud QBs like Fields (or so I hope he becomes that).

Now one of the stupidest thing I have heard is the talk of making some cap for QBs (the ones who should make the most) or doing something like what happened in the NBA.

Imagine that the cap becomes 10% max for a QB:

1. Teams would still do the save-money-this-year-and-pass-the-larger-salaries-till-the-end-of-the-contract. Mahomes in 2021 would not have gotten 25.8 million dollars (13.7%) because that would be over the cap of 10%. He also would not have gotten 10% because of the save-money-blah-blah-blah way of business (maybe 8%). They would have given him a much smaller 2021 salary and maybe, he would have gotten closer to 10% in 2026 (8%)?
2. So, in the end, a top level QB would basically be an 8% hit on the salary cap every year.
3. Do you think that the money saved would go to the rank and file? Smile.
4. Now using the NBA model (which ruined the NBA).
   1. Imagine a still young, potentially future GOAT Patrick "Lebron" Mahomes talking to top free agents to join him in KC.
      1. Hill and Kelce would have 5% caps for top TE/WR. The top LT would get 6%. Nelson would come for 4%. The top center, RG and RT would come for 3%, 3% and 3%. Top RBs are always undervalued so 3% for him. That is 40% of the cap. Add another top WR for 5%. 45%.
      2. Play the same games on defense for 45% of the cap.
      3. There is a whole 10% to fill the rest of the roster.
      4. Bottom 30 or so players would still receive "peanuts".
      5. The NFL would be ruined.
5. Even worse is the "QBs should be outside of the Salary Cap" idea.
   1. Imagine the idea above (4), but worse.
      1. Since Mahomes' salary is now off the books, there is an additional 8% of the salary cap to pick up 2 to 3 top players ... as backups.
      2. The bottom 30 are not going to see any of that money. In fact, two or three are going to lose their jobs because of #3 below.
      3. Since QB salaries are off the books, once Fields, Trevor Lawrence, and Lance(?) become free agents ... and they will not sign with their old teams if they are not forced to, because they have zero chance of winning a championship against the All-Pro Kansas City Chiefs, they will all sign with Kansas City because there are no salary cap implications. They can each make a fortune and the NFL could not do anything about it.
      4. KC will suddenly be like an all-star baseball team. Week 1 Mahomes, Week 2 Fields, Week 3 Lawrence. Lance is the end-of-games reliever.

Wanting to help the lower tier player is laudable. But even the lower tier players are making 660,000 dollars a year.

Ask yourself, "Do I make $660,000 a year currently?

Most of us are going to answer, "No".

I think the concern isn't with lower tier players as it is with good starters and how teams with costly QBs lose those good starters in FA. It's a team cohesiveness concern. I don't think anyone here is concerned about the inflated salaries themselves. Look at how Brady taking a more reasonable salary has helped him win SBs and guarantee his GOAT status.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

I think the concern isn't with lower tier players as it is with good starters and how teams with costly QBs lose them in FA. It's a team cohesiveness concern. I don't think anyone here is concerned about the inflated salaries themselves. Look at how Brady taking a more reasonable salary has helped him win SBs and guarantee his GOAT status.

Paying those high salaries is what keeps the NFL going. It either forces a QB like Brady to take a team friendly deal to surround him with better talent, a GM to give a QB a decade long contract like Mahomes to ensure that there will be money to surround him with talent as the years go by, or to cut some of your other talent like most teams do.

The rookies salaries have been controlled to give the money to older, more established players. It would be foolish to create an NBA type of system where there are a few super-teams with a chance at a championship and then almost 30 teams without a chance at a championship.

I was referring to the "rank and file" comment which seems to point to not talking about a teams' other star players.

 

[Bearly]

I see it as a similar situation as the rookie cap. Protecting teams from themselves and in the same process support greater team continuity. I won't make a big stink about it because it's not so bad as it is but it's definitely unbalanced. Would have been great if KC could have had a viable 2nd string T or 2 last year and yes I know it's not the only reason for the fail.

 

[Aquineas]

Marquis Goodwin Mic'd up