Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only - and No Montucky!

[BaBaBlacksheep]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907218946228470263

 

[hebs]

If we don't draft a lineman, I'm going into full-on penis disattachment mode.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I hate it.

 

[playthrough2001]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907093538300362917

 

[DefNextYear]

They also noted that the majority were day 3 picks so may have been meh to begin with. Say a fringe starter is out for a year, Team replaces him with the next project or drafts his replacement in the offseason and see you later. I personally don't think they go LT in one anyway but I wouldn't take Simmons off my board unless the docs told me to.

You're giving waaaay too much credit to doctors. This isn't a clear yes/no situation. The patella tendon is a critical part of knee stabilization and anchoring to your quad to your tibia. If it was so easy to diagnose injuries (in general), doctors wouldn't be getting it wrong over and over and over. You're talking the best doctors in the world working in a multi-billion dollar industry and they still get it wrong.

In this case, a doctor likely won’t say a lot more than “it’s healed”. But, the complexities of the injuries still come down to rebuilding strength rapidly around the injury... working through a possibly now stiffer tendon... working out any new imbalances... mental confidence... etc. You even have recent examples like Bradley Chubb who missed an entire year+, but then why expect Simmons to be very valuable before we see him hit a calendar year? ... "way ahead of schedule" or not. And if he's not at a point where he can perform at 100%, there's no way to adequately assess the risk in a workout. I'm not sure what doctor can go in there and tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything will be ok.

Also, this isn't just day 3 picks that are bums either. Look up other recent OL with the injury: Cole Strange (1st round pick) and Lucas Niang (3rd round pick). I'm not saying Simmons won't ever play, but it is to say he'll likely never reach what his potential was. He probably won't be a premiere LT in the league worthy of the drooling and high expectations. Of course, the Bears can gamble that he will, but they've already gambled once on a huge tendon tear with Kiran. I'm not sure it's wise to double down at the same position.

Here's what doctors say:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895892230713557300

Also:

"A study just published in June of this year [2016] in the American Journal of Sports Medicine looked at orthopedic procedures on over 550 NFL athletes. And of all the different surgeries that these guys have, those who fared the worst when it comes to rate of return to play and performance metrics like yards gained and touchdowns scored, [it was] patellar tendon repair.

And their careers were shortened overall significantly. It's not to say that one individual can't come back and be phenomenal, but it's telling you that the odds are against them in terms of returning to form."

Also:

According to Dr. Spindler, the study findings are a reality check for physicians and patients. The data may change expectations for recovery and reinforce the need for long-term rehabilitation after surgery.

“The fact is, these are massive injuries,” he says. “In spite of repairing and healing, the tendons often don’t come back anywhere near normal, and patients still have significant disability.”

Ruptured Patellar or Quad Tendon: Which Has Better Repair Outcomes?

New data on patellar and quad tendon ruptures may change expectations for recovery. A study finds that both injuries require significant rehabilitation time, and many patients never fully recover.

consultqd.clevelandclinic.org

Here's a 2nd round pick:
Injury update not good for 49ers former 2nd-round pick

Here was the highest paid center in the league:

49ers C Richburg retires from NFL, cites injuries

49ers center Weston Richburg announced his retirement Wednesday, saying that he had "reached a point where my body won't allow me to continue playing and competing at a high level."

www.espn.com

Here's another 2nd round pick, multi-time Pro Bowler, LeCharles Bentley, who was forced to retire cause of this injury.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/606831561044992001

 

[DefNextYear]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907080014929018961

Maybe this gives some level of what Dennis Allen expects in terms of size.

 

[playthrough2001]

You're giving waaaay too much credit to doctors. This isn't a clear yes/no situation. The patella tendon is a critical part of knee stabilization and anchoring to your quad to your tibia. If it was so easy to diagnose injuries (in general), doctors wouldn't be getting it wrong over and over and over. You're talking the best doctors in the world working in a multi-billion dollar industry and they still get it wrong.

In this case, a doctor likely won’t say a lot more than “it’s healed”. But, the complexities of the injuries still come down to rebuilding strength rapidly around the injury... working through a possibly now stiffer tendon... working out any new imbalances... mental confidence... etc. You even have recent examples like Bradley Chubb who missed an entire year+, but then why expect Simmons to be very valuable before we see him hit a calendar year? ... "way ahead of schedule" or not. And if he's not at a point where he can perform at 100%, there's no way to adequately assess the risk in a workout. I'm not sure what doctor can go in there and tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything will be ok.

Also, this isn't just day 3 picks that are bums either. Look up other recent OL with the injury: Cole Strange (1st round pick) and Lucas Niang (3rd round pick). I'm not saying Simmons won't ever play, but it is to say he'll likely never reach what his potential was. He probably won't be a premiere LT in the league worthy of the drooling and high expectations. Of course, the Bears can gamble that he will, but they've already gambled once on a huge tendon tear with Kiran. I'm not sure it's wise to double down at the same position.

Here's what doctors say:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895892230713557300

Also:

"A study just published in June of this year [2016] in the American Journal of Sports Medicine looked at orthopedic procedures on over 550 NFL athletes. And of all the different surgeries that these guys have, those who fared the worst when it comes to rate of return to play and performance metrics like yards gained and touchdowns scored, [it was] patellar tendon repair.

And their careers were shortened overall significantly. It's not to say that one individual can't come back and be phenomenal, but it's telling you that the odds are against them in terms of returning to form."

Also:

According to Dr. Spindler, the study findings are a reality check for physicians and patients. The data may change expectations for recovery and reinforce the need for long-term rehabilitation after surgery.

“The fact is, these are massive injuries,” he says. “In spite of repairing and healing, the tendons often don’t come back anywhere near normal, and patients still have significant disability.”

Ruptured Patellar or Quad Tendon: Which Has Better Repair Outcomes?

New data on patellar and quad tendon ruptures may change expectations for recovery. A study finds that both injuries require significant rehabilitation time, and many patients never fully recover.

consultqd.clevelandclinic.org

Here's a 2nd round pick:
Injury update not good for 49ers former 2nd-round pick

Here was the highest paid center in the league:

49ers C Richburg retires from NFL, cites injuries

49ers center Weston Richburg announced his retirement Wednesday, saying that he had "reached a point where my body won't allow me to continue playing and competing at a high level."

www.espn.com

Here's another 2nd round pick, multi-time Pro Bowler, LeCharles Bentley, who was forced to retire cause of this injury.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/606831561044992001

There is no reason for the Bears to take a chance on this guy. Thanks for sharing this information. The numbers are kind of grim.

I hope it works out for him.

 

[DefNextYear]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907046548569272693

I feel sort of dirty posting him...

 

[--CyBear--]

There is no reason for the Bears to take a chance on this guy. Thanks for sharing this information. The numbers are kind of grim.

I hope it works out for him.

OK, I'm convinced. That surgery involves drilling holes in your kneecap to have something to tie the tendon to.

 

[legendxofxlink]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907046548569272693

I feel sort of dirty posting him...

How did Will Johnson fall out of this? From his hamstring injury? He was easily top5 prospect a couple months ago…. 6’2” 200lbs, 9 INT’s, great in press and zone…
It seems to me there is no general consensus which is why everyone has such different takes. I get GG is talking universally, but no way am I including a TE over Will Johnson or Mike Green/Pearce. I also bet half the teams don’t have a first round grade on Cam Ward.

 

[msadows]

There is no reason for the Bears to take a chance on this guy. Thanks for sharing this information. The numbers are kind of grim.

I hope it works out for him.

On the 2nd round? Sure. The talent vs. risk is there

#10 or even a trade down into the late teens is bonkers. I have a feeling he might just drop out of the first or go late first to a needy team like the chiefs

 

[msadows]

How did Will Johnson fall out of this? From his hamstring injury? He was easily top5 prospect a couple months ago…. 6’2” 200lbs, 9 INT’s, great in press and zone…
It seems to me there is no general consensus which is why everyone has such different takes. I get GG is talking universally, but no way am I including a TE over Will Johnson or Mike Green/Pearce. I also bet half the teams don’t have a first round grade on Cam Ward.

Greg Gabriel is a "get off my lawn" boomer who hasn't had contacts in the leagues for years now. Everyone he knew is either dead or fired now.

Will Johnson would be a top 10 pick easily(maybe top 5) if he didnt have a nagging injury right now and could have shined at the combine/pro day

The real head scratcher is if teams dont plan on using travis hunter both ways, how is he a better prospect than either Tet or Will Johnson? He's the 2nd best talent at both CB and WR.

 

[bufordht]

How did Will Johnson fall out of this? From his hamstring injury? He was easily top5 prospect a couple months ago…. 6’2” 200lbs, 9 INT’s, great in press and zone…
It seems to me there is no general consensus which is why everyone has such different takes. I get GG is talking universally, but no way am I including a TE over Will Johnson or Mike Green/Pearce. I also bet half the teams don’t have a first round grade on Cam Ward.

From talking to people around the league

Yelling up the stairs to your mom does not count as talking to people around the league Greg

 

[msadows]

From talking to people around the league

Yelling up the stairs to your mom does not count as talking to people around the league Greg

This is the same guy who GUARANTEED to us that the bears were taking the HAUL and keeping fields. His "sources" told him that.

 

[playthrough2001]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1905722431307931737

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

How did Will Johnson fall out of this? From his hamstring injury? He was easily top5 prospect a couple months ago…. 6’2” 200lbs, 9 INT’s, great in press and zone…
It seems to me there is no general consensus which is why everyone has such different takes. I get GG is talking universally, but no way am I including a TE over Will Johnson or Mike Green/Pearce. I also bet half the teams don’t have a first round grade on Cam Ward.

There’s a few guys that I heard a lot about and now don’t hear much. This is a weird draft at the top.

 

[DefNextYear]

How did Will Johnson fall out of this? From his hamstring injury? He was easily top5 prospect a couple months ago…. 6’2” 200lbs, 9 INT’s, great in press and zone…
It seems to me there is no general consensus which is why everyone has such different takes. I get GG is talking universally, but no way am I including a TE over Will Johnson or Mike Green/Pearce. I also bet half the teams don’t have a first round grade on Cam Ward.

I think it is the injuries… turf toe and then hamstring. It’s like an out of sight, out of mind thing. There’s currently no one really hyping him up to keep his name in the headlines.

Ultimately, we don’t know the reality of what teams are thinking. This guy is certainly not that connected to have league-wide insight on something teams aren’t really sharing. That said, I rarely see anyone put him top 5 on their boards.

And being a blue chip doesn’t always mean you get picked over premium positions. Bowers was the 13th pick last year and there weren’t 13 blue chips.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Greg Gabriel is a "get off my lawn" boomer who hasn't had contacts in the leagues for years now. Everyone he knew is either dead or fired now.

Will Johnson would be a top 10 pick easily(maybe top 5) if he didnt have a nagging injury right now and could have shined at the combine/pro day

The real head scratcher is if teams dont plan on using travis hunter both ways, how is he a better prospect than either Tet or Will Johnson? He's the 2nd best talent at both CB and WR.

Not a fan of Greg’s personality but this is inaccurate. He works for some agents and knows people in the league. Unless he’s lying through his teeth he is friends with Howie Roseman.

 

[TL1961]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1905722431307931737

If the winner goes to Green Bay to watch the draft, I'd hate to see what the losers get.

 

[legendxofxlink]

I think it is the injuries… turf toe and then hamstring. It’s like an out of sight, out of mind thing. There’s currently no one really hyping him up to keep his name in the headlines.

Ultimately, we don’t know the reality of what teams are thinking. This guy is certainly not that connected to have league-wide insight on something teams aren’t really sharing. That said, I rarely see anyone put him top 5 on their boards.

And being a blue chip doesn’t always mean you get picked over premium positions. Bowers was the 13th pick last year and there weren’t 13 blue chips.

I know I replied to the GG post, but I did mean in consensus I’ve seen Will Johnson has fallen down on multiple draft boards. Turf toe and hammy aren’t really long term concerns….