Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only - and No Montucky!

[bamainatlanta]

For a TE being talked about at #10, he’s not very athletic. He’s not shifty or elusive, doesn’t appear to be very quick or fast…I think he’ll be a solid TE in the NFL, but like you eluded to, that’s awful value at 10

Did he run at the combine or pro day? I haven’t paid attention

 

[Enasic]

Did he run at the combine or pro day? I haven’t paid attention

If he did I missed it, but I don’t believe so. He knows that would only hurt his stock but it’s clear as day on tape, he’s an average athlete at the position.

 

[Xplosive]

I honestly didn't realize he was 6'6", but his arms are still 3 inches shorter the gronks. They are also shorter than the average TE. I mischaracterized when saying tiny catch radius if that was my original wording but in comparison to gronks, it certainly pales.

Hes certainly not gronk in catch radius or blocking aspect.

Gronk was the definition of a unicorn at the TE position. Let's not compare Warren to future 1st ballot HOFer and instead look at what he does offer to the offense.

He had 4 rushing TDs and 218 yards rushing, that's elite for any TE. He is 6'6 250 and a better blocker that will help more in pass protection than most other Non-OL players.

He had 104 receptions that is also elite for any TE and he averaged about 12 ypc. Those are great numbers for any slot receiving option.

Finally, he is comfortable handling snaps, even in the shotgun, and he can complete passes. This allows for a creative play caller to draw up unique short down and distance or goal line plays that use him as a weapon.

These are the things that separate him from Loveland or any other TE the Bears can get later in the draft.

 

[thenewguy]

For a TE being talked about at #10, he’s not very athletic. He’s not shifty or elusive, doesn’t appear to be very quick or fast…I think he’ll be a solid TE in the NFL, but like you eluded to, that’s awful value at 10

What? I have no idea what some of you are watching if you think Warren isn't athletic or elusive. He is one of the better YAC TE's to come out in a while. His zone route running and RAC are exactly what Ben Johnson talks about loving. It is what he does with Laporta and St. Brown.

 

[Xplosive]

Yes I watched him play. I watched when ND switched to Watts in single coverage on him and he couldn’t get open. He struggled against an unathletic Jack Kiser too. Taking a “very good” TE at #10 is the reason not to take him. I was impressed with his ability to beat the zone coverage in that game though. He couldn’t shake Watts in that game. That’s very telling.

He had 6 catches for 75 yards against ND. That's still very good for a player that was being game planned against.

If he were on the Bears teams would be hard pressed to stop both him and Kmet in the red zone. Too many are worried about not using Kmet instead of realizing that Warren makes Kmet's job easier.

 

[Enasic]

What? I have no idea what some of you are watching if you think Warren isn't athletic or elusive. He is one of the better YAC TE's to come out in a while. His zone route running and RAC are exactly what Ben Johnson talks about loving. It is what he does with Laporta and St. Brown.

We can agree to disagree. Not saying he’s a bad athlete, but nothing special. Penn did a good job featuring him and utilizing and he had a great season as a 5th year senior. I just wouldn’t expect that type of production in the NFL.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Trenches. Good day.

 

[Xplosive]

I just wouldn’t expect that type of production in the NFL.

Can't we say that about every prospect?

 

[thenewguy]

We can agree to disagree. Not saying he’s a bad athlete, but nothing special. Penn did a good job featuring him and utilizing and he had a great season as a 5th year senior. I just wouldn’t expect that type of production in the NFL.

I would expect that type of production and more in a modern NFL offense, he can be a game changer. Have you watched Trey McBride and what he is becoming in Ari? Warren is an even better prospect than him. Have you seen the difference in SF offense when Kittle is on the field vs not? That's the type of impact he could have with the Bears. Warren's value is much more than his combine measurements. He is a through and through football player and would be red zone gold.

Also. PSU QB play was rancid in his time there and their offense was generally super boring.

 

[Enasic]

Can't we say that about every prospect?

Not really. Some prospects will be better pros than college players and some will have similar production in the NFL than they did in college.

 

[thenewguy]

Trenches. Good day.

Almost always agree , but trenches for the players available at 10 aren't a ton different than the value at 39 and 41. If you want a true blue chip player at 10 it is unfortunately Warren or Jeanty. If Graham slips great, but won't happen. Campbell is the only OL worth taking at 10 and he will be gone and I'll get screamed down anyway because of T-Rex syndrome.

 

[Enasic]

I would expect that type of production and more in a modern NFL offense, he can be a game changer. Have you watched Trey McBride and what he is becoming in Ari? Warren is an even better prospect than him. Have you seen the difference in SF offense when Kittle is on the field vs not? That's the type of impact he could have with the Bears. Warren's value is much more than his combine measurements. He is a through and through football player and would be red zone gold.

Also. PSU QB play was rancid in his time there and their offense was generally super boring.

McBride didn’t get the hype as Warren, but he was just as good or better as a prospect. Despite being a few inches shorter than Warren, they’re the same weight and McBride ran a 4.55 40 which is elite for a TE. He also had 1100 yards coming out. Have no idea why McBride fell

 

[msadows]

Almost always agree , but trenches for the players available at 10 aren't a ton different than the value at 39 and 41. If you want a true blue chip player at 10 it is unfortunately Warren or Jeanty. If Graham slips great, but won't happen. Campbell is the only OL worth taking at 10 and he will be gone and I'll get screamed down anyway because of T-Rex syndrome.

According to who?

 

[msadows]

McBride didn’t get the hype as Warren, but he was just as good or better as a prospect. Despite being a few inches shorter than Warren, they’re the same weight and McBride ran a 4.55 40 which is elite for a TE. He also had 1100 yards coming out. Have no idea why McBride fell

Because TE's dont go in the top 10. The only time they should is when they are brock bowers freak talents.

Its not a position of value, guy is getting massively overhyped.

Look at the lapoopa draft, the guy wasnt even considered a top 5 TE in that class by many and is looking like the best by a decent margin

 

[thenewguy]

According to who?

Me

 

[msadows]

Odds are very good that Jeanty wont be the best RB in this class and Warren wont be the best TE in this class

 

[msadows]

Me

Well thats good to hear, I think there are plenty of OL/DL at #10 who would be much better picks than a RB or TE

 

[DefNextYear]

Trenches. Good day.

I’ve also warmed up to a corner too… Will Johnson. Though, now that I like him, I’m sure he’ll run a fast 40 and go 6 to the Raiders.

 

[msadows]

Best case scenario would be for Warren, Jeanty to both be gone so poles doesnt do something stupid, and shadeur be there still at #10. Then have some dumbo team like the steelers trade up so you can take a DL at 21 where it isnt as much of a reach

 

[thenewguy]

McBride didn’t get the hype as Warren, but he was just as good or better as a prospect. Despite being a few inches shorter than Warren, they’re the same weight and McBride ran a 4.55 40 which is elite for a TE. He also had 1100 yards coming out. Have no idea why McBride fell

Mcbride is actually the best recent comp for Warren, but I think Warren has an even higher ceiling I don't know why he fell either, but it does happen with TE's. That's the best argument for not taking a TE at 10, but also it is just really hard to find a difference making TE in any round.