Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only - and No Montucky!

[Enasic]

Because TE's dont go in the top 10. The only time they should is when they are brock bowers freak talents.

Its not a position of value, guy is getting massively overhyped.

Look at the lapoopa draft, the guy wasnt even considered a top 5 TE in that class by many and is looking like the best by a decent margin

Severely overhyped for sure. Probably just behind will Campbell…Campbell actually has smart people convinced that he’ll be a pro bowl LT with a 77 inch wingspan which has LITERALLY never happened. And somehow, despite a 72 PFF grade, his tape was amazing? That’s a guy that better start learning how to play OG right now, because he’s going to struggle transitioning and he cannot play OT in the NFL.

 

[DefNextYear]

McBride didn’t get the hype as Warren, but he was just as good or better as a prospect. Despite being a few inches shorter than Warren, they’re the same weight and McBride ran a 4.55 40 which is elite for a TE. He also had 1100 yards coming out. Have no idea why McBride fell

The school.

 

[Enasic]

Odds are very good that Jeanty wont be the best RB in this class and Warren wont be the best TE in this class

While it’s certainly possible that jeanty won’t be the best RB this class, I think he’s overwhelmingly the favorite to be the best.

On the flip side, I could easily see one or more of Loveland, Taylor, and fannin jr being better pros than Warren.

 

[msadows]

Mcbride is actually the best recent comp for Warren, but I think Warren has an even higher ceiling I don't know why he fell either, but it does happen with TE's. That's the best argument for not taking a TE at 10, but also it is just really hard to find a difference making TE in any round.

We have a difference making Tight End. His name is cole Kmet.

He led the league in catch percentage the last two years, and in 2022 and 2023 only two tight ends had more touchdown catches than him - Kelce and Kittle. He also was given the most cushion at the line of scrimmage of ANY tight end in the NFL last year.

You literally have one of the most reliable short yardage receivers in the entire NFL, but we want to upgrade for what reason?

Ya'll do realize we have DJ Moore to do the YAC stuff, and Rome to go downfield? The three receivers we have right now are perfect compliments to each other just not utilized properly last year.

 

[msadows]

While it’s certainly possible that jeanty won’t be the best RB this class, I think he’s overwhelmingly the favorite to be the best.

On the flip side, I could easily see one or more of Loveland, Taylor, and fannin jr being better pros than Warren.

If he goes to the raiders he probably wont be, at least not early.

Their OL is still pretty bad, its likely if the bears draft any RB in the 2nd round they outperform jeanty just because of how much better our interior OL is.

 

[thenewguy]

Well thats good to hear, I think there are plenty of OL/DL at #10 who would be much better picks than a RB or TE

And taking lesser players because you are fixated on position value gets you an average roster.

 

[msadows]

Severely overhyped for sure. Probably just behind will Campbell…Campbell actually has smart people convinced that he’ll be a pro bowl LT with a 77 inch wingspan which has LITERALLY never happened. And somehow, despite a 72 PFF grade, his tape was amazing? That’s a guy that better start learning how to play OG right now, because he’s going to struggle transitioning and he cannot play OT in the NFL.

Will campbell at least has 4 years of playing left tackle at a very high level. He's at minimum going to be a "good" player at guard. Thats a safe pick at #10 and while I wouldnt love it I would understand it.

Warren legit beat up on guys as a super senior. If this was brock bowers I'd be all for taking him(Wanted bowers last year), but he's not brock bowers. He's legit got the same skillset as cold cement, just with a bit more wiggle. We already have an inline tight end who is pretty good.

 

[msadows]

And taking lesser players because you are fixated on position value gets you an average roster.

Lesser to you, we all dont think a super senior tight end is a cant miss prospect.

I'd easily rather have membou or will campbell over him, and Jalon Walker, Mykel Williams, Mason Graham over Warren/Jeanty

 

[Enasic]

If he goes to the raiders he probably wont be, at least not early.

Their OL is still pretty bad, its likely if the bears draft any RB in the 2nd round they outperform jeanty just because of how much better our interior OL is.

Possibly. On the flip side if the bears took jeanty he’d probably get 1500 + total yards pretty easily. Think he’d be more of a weapon in the passing game than people realize. Especialky with BJ running things.

 

[Enasic]

Will campbell at least has 4 years of playing left tackle at a very high level. He's at minimum going to be a "good" player at guard. Thats a safe pick at #10 and while I wouldnt love it I would understand it.

Warren legit beat up on guys as a super senior. If this was brock bowers I'd be all for taking him(Wanted bowers last year), but he's not brock bowers. He's legit got the same skillset as cold cement, just with a bit more wiggle. We already have an inline tight end who is pretty good.

It wouldn’t be a safe pick though…and drafting a LG who never played the position at 10 would be beyond ill advised. The titans basically did that with Skoronski and he hasn’t even been good at LG and he was a better prospect IMO. Factor in Campbells ultra high stance, he might even be a worse OG than Skoronski.

 

[thenewguy]

Lesser to you, we all dont think a super senior tight end is a cant miss prospect.

I'd easily rather have membou or will campbell over him, and Jalon Walker, Mykel Williams, Mason Graham over Warren/Jeanty

And Mykel Williams is likely the only player of that group to be available - and think he has a high bust rate, and maybe Campbell, but you can fight the T-Rex crowd I'm bored with it.

 

[DefNextYear]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907565582205202561

This table doesn’t even estimate Jeanty at 6. For the life of me, I can see how a majority of Raiders fans think a RB is good in that spot. OT seems so obvious to me.

Warren’s would also look rough if adjusted. I don’t think his open market value is anything close to 20 million.

 

[Enasic]

And Mykel Williams is likely the only player of that group to be available - and think he has a high bust rate, and maybe Campbell, but you can fight the T-Rex crowd I'm bored with it.

The T-Rex crowd is fixated on wanting to address the Ol while ignoring reality. Campbell is simply not an NFL LT. Not only has there never been a pro bowl LT with a 77 inch wingspan, there’s currently NOT EVEN ONE STARTING LT with that measurement. NOT ONE. Stop the fucking will Campbell madness already.

 

[thenewguy]

The T-Rex crowd is fixated on wanting to address the Ol while ignoring reality. Campbell is simply not an NFL LT. Not only has there never been a pro bowl LT with a 77 inch wingspan, there’s currently NOT EVEN ONE STARTING LT with that measurement. NOT ONE. Stop the fucking will Campbell madness already.

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I can acknowledge the fact that he would be an outlier and it's a risk taking outliers, and not a good practice to do regularly. Can you acknowledge that many good evaluators believe Campbell can be a plus starting LT and there's a chance they are right and you are wrong?

 

[Enasic]

I can acknowledge the fact that he would be an outlier and it's a risk taking outliers, and not a good practice to do regularly. Can you acknowledge that many good evaluators believe Campbell can be a plus starting LT and there's a chance they are right and you are wrong?

There’s always that chance of course. I just think betting on a guy to be the first and only outlier at his position is extremely stupid….and it’s not like his tape is even amazingly great either. It’s good…it’s fine….but it’s not “All pro LT” great…combine that with his arm length and wingspan measurements, it’s clear as day to me he’s not going to play LT in the NFL.

Can I be wrong? Of course, but I feel strongly about my opinion and will stand by it until proven otherwise.

 

[thenewguy]

There’s always that chance of course. I just think betting on a guy to be the first and only outlier at his position is extremely stupid….and it’s not like his tape is even amazingly great either. It’s good…it’s fine….but it’s not “All pro LT” great…combine that with his arm length and wingspan measurements, it’s clear as day to me he’s not going to play LT in the NFL.

Can I be wrong? Of course, but I feel strongly about my opinion and will stand by it until proven otherwise.

Fair enough, and the concerns are real. I just think that any OL at 10 comes with a high risk they are not a starting LT, so then focus elsewhere. Campbell to me has elite feet and traits that could make him a plus starting LT, and a floor of a plus guard. All that being said doesn't sound like the best plan at 10. This is a weird draft to be at 10, and I am not comfortable with any edge or DL to be significantly better than round 2 prospects. Jalon Walker is the exception but I don't think he makes it to 10.

 

[thenewguy]

There’s always that chance of course. I just think betting on a guy to be the first and only outlier at his position is extremely stupid….and it’s not like his tape is even amazingly great either. It’s good…it’s fine….but it’s not “All pro LT” great…combine that with his arm length and wingspan measurements, it’s clear as day to me he’s not going to play LT in the NFL.

Can I be wrong? Of course, but I feel strongly about my opinion and will stand by it until proven otherwise.

Who do you want at 10?

 

[Enasic]

Fair enough, and the concerns are real. I just think that any OL at 10 comes with a high risk they are not a starting LT, so then focus elsewhere. Campbell to me has elite feet and traits that could make him a plus starting LT, and a floor of a plus guard. All that being said doesn't sound like the best plan at 10. This is a weird draft to be at 10, and I am not comfortable with any edge or DL to be significantly better than round 2 prospects. Jalon Walker is the exception but I don't think he makes it to 10.

I think it's jumping the gun to say Campbell has the floor of a plus guard. First, he's never played the position. Beyond that, he has an extremely high stance that he'll have to completely rework transitioning to guard. Could he transition well? Sure, but it's a huge question mark. Not all OTs could just become good guards and you see examples of it failing all the time. Keep coming back to it, but Peter Skoronski is a prime example and is basically the Will Campbell of this draft. Although again, I think Skoronski had better tape, technique, and was the better prospect overall.

I do agree it's 100% a weird draft. I want to trade down but I don't know why any team would trade up. Walker is an interesting evaluation because he's more of an undersized tweener. Those guys are risky...I don't have a concrete opinion on him one way or the other. Although, if I had to pick a defensive player at 10, and Graham were gone, I'd probably pick Mike Green.

 

[sportinorton18]

Im wondering If James Pierce Jr and Mike Green are too small for Dennis Allen's defense. Any have knowledge on that?

 

[bamainatlanta]

He had 6 catches for 75 yards against ND. That's still very good for a player that was being game planned against.

If he were on the Bears teams would be hard pressed to stop both him and Kmet in the red zone. Too many are worried about not using Kmet instead of realizing that Warren makes Kmet's job easier.

You didn’t watch the game did you, you are just quoting box scores? ND’s game plan is to blitz and leave the secondary on islands. They didn’t change that other than moving Watts from CF to more man coverage.