Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only - and No Montucky!

[bears51/40]

It was locked up before today.
Browns/Giants just can't pass up Carter/Hunter after their recent QB miscues.
Looks like Rodgers is going to Pitt so I don't see anyone trading up ahead of the Saints and the Saints just may pass on him too.
I can see a possible Brady Quinn like drop.
Only 1 QB in the top 9 would be a bummer, probably takes away any LT possibility.

This time of year, it is all smokescreen and misdirection for these GMs. Still expect Sanders to go in top three.

 

[Enasic]

Im wondering If James Pierce Jr and Mike Green are too small for Dennis Allen's defense. Any have knowledge on that?

He would very likely want them both to add some weight, especially Pearce. That said, they're too good of rushers to turn up your nose at. Talent is talent, and not everyone is going to fit your perfect prototype. If you can't make it work, that's on you. I believe Khalil Mack was 255 when Allen was with the Raiders, and obviously that worked out pretty good. Green I believe is 250 and Pearce 245, so they will likely have to put on 5-10 pounds.

 

[playthrough2001]

don't know who this dude is and didn't listen but I did scroll across his list and I half ass expect either Hampton/Johnson at 10 much to the chagrin of CCS. I'm in the camp that Carter/Hunter go 2/3 forcing the Pats to take Campbell who are desperate for a LT and also think the Raiders take Jeanty. Hampton/Johnson are both top 10-15 prospects across all boards and can add immediate starting impact from day 1. Heck, if Will has a great private workout, he could go top 10.

I think the Giants are taking Sanders.

Dart to New Orleans would be a fantastic Hail Mary for the Bears.

 

[bears51/40]

Have you ever watched Warren play? Kmet is a terrible comp. Warren is way more dynamic in every aspect of his game. You can not want to draft a TE at 10, there's arguments for that, but Warren is a very very good prospect.

Or is Warren just a one-year wonder, you also have to factor that in.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Who do you want at 10?

Kevin White, Gabe Carimi or Michael Haynes

 

[thenewguy]

Or is Warren just a one-year wonder, you also have to factor that in.

Nothing on his tape suggest that. Try watching the PSU offense and QB play a couple years ago and come back to me.

He was also a high school QB, and they moved him to fullback his freshman year. Context matters in these discussions.

 

[bamainatlanta]

This time of year, it is all smokescreen and misdirection for these GMs. Still expect Sanders to go in top three.

I laughed at the overreactions by some because of what BJ said about certain players. It’s almost as if people were expecting him to say “this prospect sucks/is great and we won’t be drafting/will be drafting him?”

 

[bears51/40]

What? I have no idea what some of you are watching if you think Warren isn't athletic or elusive. He is one of the better YAC TE's to come out in a while. His zone route running and RAC are exactly what Ben Johnson talks about loving. It is what he does with Laporta and St. Brown.

Not trying to bust Warrens chops but is he a luxury pick in a year when the Bears still have to build out from the trenches.

 

[TL1961]

don't know who this dude is and didn't listen but I did scroll across his list and I half ass expect either Hampton/Johnson at 10 much to the chagrin of CCS. I'm in the camp that Carter/Hunter go 2/3 forcing the Pats to take Campbell who are desperate for a LT and also think the Raiders take Jeanty. Hampton/Johnson are both top 10-15 prospects across all boards and can add immediate starting impact from day 1. Heck, if Will has a great private workout, he could go top 10.

I can't recall seeing Hampton as high as Top 15, let alone 10-15, and I have absolutely not heard anyone discuss Johnson in terms of even a sure first rounder, let alone Top 10-15.

At 39 or 41 I hope for a better back than Johnson, of which there should be a few. At 10, my dick would be totally ripped off.

 

[TL1961]

I laughed at the overreactions by some because of what BJ said about certain players. It’s almost as if people were expecting him to say “this prospect sucks/is great and we won’t be drafting/will be drafting him?”

Wait until they discover the guy across the poker table isn't entirely open about his hand.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Not trying to bust Warrens chops, but is a luxury pick in a year when the Bears still have to build out from the trenches.

Bears have been ripped from building through the “outside-in” from around the league, the media and posters on this very board but yet they want Poles to keep building that way. It’s still a sub-par pass rush and there is still a hole at LT but taking a TE to run 12 personnel 35% of the time is supposed to be an advantage of some sort??

 

[playthrough2001]

I can't recall seeing Hampton as high as Top 15, let alone 10-15, and I have absolutely not heard anyone discuss Johnson in terms of even a sure first rounder, let alone Top 10-15.

At 39 or 41 I hope for a better back than Johnson, of which there should be a few. At 10, my dick would be totally ripped off.

He’s talking about Will Johnson.

 

[thenewguy]

Bears have been ripped from building through the “outside-in” from around the league, the media and posters on this very board but yet they want Poles to keep building that way. It’s still a sub-par pass rush and there is still a hole at LT but taking a TE to run 12 personnel 35% of the time is supposed to be an advantage of some sort??

Are the Bears only choosing a player at 10? I thought they had valuable picks at 39, 41, and 72 as well. Sucks there won't be any trench players there.

 

[TL1961]

Gronk was the definition of a unicorn at the TE position. Let's not compare Warren to future 1st ballot HOFer and instead look at what he does offer to the offense.

He had 4 rushing TDs and 218 yards rushing, that's elite for any TE. He is 6'6 250 and a better blocker that will help more in pass protection than most other Non-OL players.

He had 104 receptions that is also elite for any TE and he averaged about 12 ypc. Those are great numbers for any slot receiving option.

Finally, he is comfortable handling snaps, even in the shotgun, and he can complete passes. This allows for a creative play caller to draw up unique short down and distance or goal line plays that use him as a weapon.

These are the things that separate him from Loveland or any other TE the Bears can get later in the draft.

Penn State had a QB who can't get a pass to WRs, no grea WRs anyway, and beat up on some patsies.

The fact that their TE was their #1 weapon does point to his talent, but is also attributable to the rest of their offensive personnel and their typically pedestrian offense in general.

Warren did look like a beast at times, but he would get YAC against slow teams and he doesn't possess some elite physical attributes that project to being a highly successful NFL TE.

It's not that he will suck by any means. It's just that the value of him at 10 over other options later pales in comparison to what you can get drafting other positions. The Bears have a good TE now and can add one in the draft if they want, without using a highly valuable draft pick.

Maybe I am predisposed to thinking TEs are harder to project. Sure Bowers excelled, as we expected. But Kyle Pitts went #4 and is hardly ever heard from. HOF TE's have been drafted in the middle rounds with some regularity.

Hard, hard pass on using #10 on Warren. There are few ways the Bears can go at #10 that would upset me, but that is the clear #1 for me.

EDIT: "Middle rounds" may not be accurate, but after the first round anyway.

 

[TL1961]

He’s talking about Will Johnson.

That makes more sense. I thought he was specifically discussing RB with that pairing. My bad.

My Johnson is now feeling safer.

 

[Xplosive]

You didn’t watch the game did you, you are just quoting box scores? ND’s game plan is to blitz and leave the secondary on islands. They didn’t change that other than moving Watts from CF to more man coverage.

I watched the game. I feel he got a concussion getting knocked out of bounds but they let him come back in the game.

Penn states QB was terrible in the game. At the end of the day Warren was ok but definitely not a game changer.

 

[Bonferroni Correction]

Bears have been ripped from building through the “outside-in” from around the league, the media and posters on this very board but yet they want Poles to keep building that way. It’s still a sub-par pass rush and there is still a hole at LT but taking a TE to run 12 personnel 35% of the time is supposed to be an advantage of some sort??

Bears fans every season: Our o-line sucks! Our D-line sucks! Fire poles for his ignoring trenches!

Bears fans every offseason: let’s draft a tight end or running back or wide receiver!

 

[bamainatlanta]

Are the Bears only choosing a player at 10? I thought they had valuable picks at 39, 41, and 72 as well. Sucks there won't be any trench players there

Yes they are but as others have pointed out that your best chance of getting an elite pass rusher is in the 1st while you are better off getting an elite TE elsewhere in the draft. TE is statistically proven to be one of the least successful 1st round picks. And to your point, other quality TE's can be found at 39, 41 and 72. Sucks there wont be any TE's available there.

 

[bears51/40]

Nothing on his tape suggest that. Try watching the PSU offense and QB play a couple years ago and come back to me.

He was also a high school QB, and they moved him to fullback his freshman year. Context matters in these discussions.

Nothing screamed elite about Warren until 2024. A five-year player who did not move the needle in his first four. Looking at his whole college career is the definition context.

Though Warren will be a first-round pick, I would say the Bears have more pressing needs at 10 than a TE.

 

[thenewguy]

Yes they are but as others have pointed out that your best chance of getting an elite pass rusher is in the 1st while you are better off getting an elite TE elsewhere in the draft. TE is statistically proven to be one of the least successful 1st round picks. And to your point, other quality TE's can be found at 39, 41 and 72. Sucks there wont be any TE's available there.

Who's the elite edge at 10?