Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only

[dabears70]

I get your point, but the GM makes the decision. So, whether he's around long or not doesn't matter. Allen isn't even in the draft room. So, if Poles theoretically thinks Pearce is way better than Mykel or Stewart, you can't draft those guys above him simply cause Pearce is like 10 lbs too light. Otherwise, if Mykel or whoever is a total bust, everyone will kill Poles. No one will care that Allen preferred him.

A hypothetical would be... what if the Bears had Micah Parsons on this roster or the opportunity to trade for him? Would the Bears move on cause he isn't heavy enough for Dennis Allen's liking? Or his arms aren't long enough? Of course the Bears wouldn't do that. And I bet Allen would love to have a talent like that.

Again, I totally get your point. But I'm not saying Poles should run wild and draft anything. He'd be drafting the best player available that he believes could fit the team. If the guy can play football, he'll be fine in whatever scheme. Also, we're merely speculating that Allen even cares about the size that much. We're also assuming that Poles couldn't put together the tape and report to give to Allen and convince him that this guy would be an amazing fit even if he's too light (or whatever). At the end of the day, I genuinely have a lot of faith that if you give Allen a very good edge, he will make the most of him.

Another chance at Da Haul.

 

[dabears70]

So here's a random thought... McShay has proposed a trade for the Giants to move up from the 2nd to get Dart at 19. He, in this video, talks about the Jets doing the exact same thing. I wonder what people would think about a trade like this (Rich Hill chart):

Bears:
2025 10 overall - 369 points

Jets:
2025 42 overall - 142 points
2026 1st - 180 points (assumed equal to this year's top of the 2nd)
2025 110 - 30 points
2026 4th - 15 points (assumed equal to this year's top of the 4th)
Total - 367 points

I don't love this year's draft, but I do like the OL prospects next year. I think trading out of this draft and moving down to pick 42, picking up a future 1st, will be a huge plus. Pick 42 can also be ammo to move up into the end of the 1st if someone slips that they like. The obvious bad part is this delays improving the team a bit, but it might not be as much as it would hurt in other years.

There's debate on the true value of a future pick, so I went up to the top of the current round. One could argue something different, but I think it's pretty fair. At worst, it should be playing around with the two extra picks or returning a future pick while adjusting some of the picks I proposed above.

Shyt we can improve the team with picks 39, 41 and 42 and then two 1st's next year.

 

[DefNextYear]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904545384946606099

For reference, these are the best 3 cones for the combine... he's top 12 for all athletes, top edge, easily.

 

[DefNextYear]

He’s not much faster than Membou. That is a brutal time!

Here's another fun one. Helm ran the same time essentially on a destroyed ankle.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904589494197612677

 

[Xplosive]

Is this written by @Xplosive?

Part 2, TE: Is Tyler Warren the next Great American NFL Tight End?

This year's TE class is loaded, from the Gronk'ish tight end out of Penn State ("Better than Bowers") to Colston Loveland, Elijah Arroyo, Mason Taylor and several others. Here's what the scouts say.

www.golongtd.com

Zero chance I could have written that piece, I'm much too stupid. Just ask anyone around here

 

[Les Grossman]

I get your point, but the GM makes the decision. So, whether he's around long or not doesn't matter. Allen isn't even in the draft room. So, if Poles theoretically thinks Pearce is way better than Mykel or Stewart, you can't draft those guys above him simply cause Pearce is like 10 lbs too light. Otherwise, if Mykel or whoever is a total bust, everyone will kill Poles. No one will care that Allen preferred him.

A hypothetical would be... what if the Bears had Micah Parsons on this roster or the opportunity to trade for him? Would the Bears move on cause he isn't heavy enough for Dennis Allen's liking? Or his arms aren't long enough? Of course the Bears wouldn't do that. And I bet Allen would love to have a talent like that.

Again, I totally get your point. But I'm not saying Poles should run wild and draft anything. He'd be drafting the best player available that he believes could fit the team. If the guy can play football, he'll be fine in whatever scheme. Also, we're merely speculating that Allen even cares about the size that much. We're also assuming that Poles couldn't put together the tape and report to give to Allen and convince him that this guy would be an amazing fit even if he's too light (or whatever). At the end of the day, I genuinely have a lot of faith that if you give Allen a very good edge, he will make the most of him.

Sure, but if that truly wasn't the case, then Greg Olsen would have retired a Chicago Bear... And on the flip side, we never should have seen a GM draft Shea McClellin to be a 4-3 Defensive End lmao.

I get what you are saying, these guys (GM and Coaches) are in it together. Poles doesn't have a long leash at this point, and the power dynamic is clearly leaning to BJ. I'd also argue that Dennis Allen probably has quite a bit of say in the club room for the Defense. I think BJ wants to be hands off there.

I will say that I agree with your sentiment that it would be dumb to pass on a better player because he doesn't fit a coaching scheme's fit, but coaches want what they want. And it's like you said, if comes down to whether Poles and/or Allen thinks Pearce is a fit. History suggests that Allen would say no. And we go from there...

 

[bamainatlanta]

I like green as well. It’s such a good dline trenches draft would be a shame to pass on these guys for a fukkin te or rb lol

The defense has a bunch of “decent” players— only Johnson and maybe Gordon(this upcoming year) ascend above that. It needs an impact player on the line immensely.

 

[Xplosive]

@Xplosive were you the one that posted this? Burden has some attitude issues?

Yes, he got multiple personal fouls for doing dumb things like snatching the DBs mouth piece and throwing it, pushing after the play, he even threw a little punch as well.

Basically the same kind of dumb penalties and stuff that Stevenson does.

 

[bamainatlanta]

No

Zero chance I could have written that piece, I'm much too stupid. Just ask anyone around here

No one said you’re stupid.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Yes, he got multiple personal fouls for doing dumb things like snatching the DBs mouth piece and throwing it, pushing after the play, he even threw a little punch as well.

Basically they same kind of dumb penalties and stuff that Stevenson does.

I don’t watch Mizzou but I wonder why his production fell off a cliff. They basically returned 75%+ of their offense from last year.

 

[Nelly]

For shits and giggles, I'm looking at Austin Booker vs. James Pearce's measurements going into the draft:

Booker:
H/W: 6'4" 240
Hands: 9 1/4"
40: 4.79
Vert: 32.5"
3Cone: 7.28
Arms: 33 7/8"
Shuttle: 4.47
Broad: 120
Wingspan: 81 3/8"
Ten Yd: 1.67

Pearce:
H/W: 6'5" 245
Hands: 10"
40: 4.47
Vert: 31"
3Cone: ?
Arms: 32 3/4"
Shuttle: ?
Broad: 123
Wingspan: 81"
Ten Yd: 1.56

I wonder what Booker will be playing at this year after a full offseason in the program. I wonder how much Poles/the Bears will be looking at him to be the pass rushing juice off the bench versus feeling they need to spend the 10th pick on a guy like Pearce.

 

[knoxville7]

There are some questions he would not answer in the interviews I believe. AT 243, pro GMs don't know how well he will stand up against the run.

Pearce? he will be fine against the run, he was at Tennessee at least

 

[Xplosive]

I don’t watch Mizzou but I wonder why his production fell off a cliff. They basically returned 75%+ of their offense from last year.

It's hard to say but their QB had a terrible season. Basically the fans and analysts say it wasn't Burden's fault that the offense was so bad.

 

[DefNextYear]

Sure, but if that truly wasn't the case, then Greg Olsen would have retired a Chicago Bear... And on the flip side, we never should have seen a GM draft Shea McClellin to be a 4-3 Defensive End lmao.

I get what you are saying, these guys (GM and Coaches) are in it together. Poles doesn't have a long leash at this point, and the power dynamic is clearly leaning to BJ. I'd also argue that Dennis Allen probably has quite a bit of say in the club room for the Defense. I think BJ wants to be hands off there.

I will say that I agree with your sentiment that it would be dumb to pass on a better player because he doesn't fit a coaching scheme's fit, but coaches want what they want. And it's like you said, if comes down to whether Poles and/or Allen thinks Pearce is a fit. History suggests that Allen would say no. And we go from there...

Well, I think Greg Olsen is a great example of why you can't just toss players cause the coordinator. Great players are hard to find, and in that case, an all pro caliber one. It was the wrong call to give way there, especially when they didn't even keep Martz around a long time. And that's really the danger. Shea was just a bad pick however anyone wants to slice it. That has more to do with selecting a guy out a smaller school and buying hype. I don't know who loved him... was it the coach or GM, but it was the wrong call regardless of scheme or anything.

For what it's worth, Pearce is just the name brought up, so I was referring to him, but I just say the methodology should apply to anyone (I do like Pearce though). If the guy is a star, he'll shine even if he's a bit too light on the scale. Guys like Micah and Will Anderson Jr. show that the right guy can stand up or put his hand in the dirt and be a force... even if smaller. Van Ginkle is another that plays all along the line in an aggressive defense. Watt is a pretty small edge too... or if somehow we had a shot at Abdul Carter. I think Allen would gladly take any of these guys despite them not being 260 lbs. If Poles identifies a guy like that, I just don't think you exclude them from the board cause the weight. It's just too rigid.

 

[DefNextYear]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904610666339574081

I've been ignoring Green cause I wanted a guy who went against more top end competition, but I'm officially sold on him. I'd take the gamble. Also going against my rule of not letting underwear runs change my mind... but it is what it is.

 

[HearshotKDS]

Did he? This was referring to his pro day number. As far as I saw, his only timed result are these ~4.8 numbers.

Oh shit i had a dyslexic moment thats a 4.83 not 4.38.

Yeah you cant run a 4.8 as a WR thats much worse than just refusing to test.

 

[Les Grossman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904610666339574081

I've been ignoring Green cause I wanted a guy who went against more top end competition, but I'm officially sold on him. I'd take the gamble. Also going against my rule of not letting underwear runs change my mind... but it is what it is.

Yeah he’s got production but major off the field concerns. Classic Bears pass unfortunately

 

[Enasic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904610666339574081

I've been ignoring Green cause I wanted a guy who went against more top end competition, but I'm officially sold on him. I'd take the gamble. Also going against my rule of not letting underwear runs change my mind... but it is what it is.

I believe he had 2 sacks against OSU. The guy performs against whoever.

 

[DefNextYear]

Yeah he’s got production but major off the field concerns. Classic Bears pass unfortunately

I hope not, but I know what you mean. There seems to be little to no facts related to it all though. I'm sure it's not nothing, so I'm not trying to totally dismiss it... but they can't expect everyone to be saints at 18/19 years old. They can do their homework and hopefully trust veterans on the team to keep it all together. That's a lot of the value I hope Jarrett being around brings. Also, putting a winning product together should hopefully be enough to keep it mostly together.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904610666339574081

I've been ignoring Green cause I wanted a guy who went against more top end competition, but I'm officially sold on him. I'd take the gamble. Also going against my rule of not letting underwear runs change my mind... but it is what it is.

I like Pearce more but would take green and be very happy over any te or rb in this draft