Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans ONLY

[TL1961]

His contract would be like 4 years 10m based on last years numbers. Dejean got 5.8m of it guaranteed.

So we are crying over 4.2m in salary cap over 4 years.

I get its a slippery slope but if I'm the saints just give him the fucking deal and move on. Let the other 29 teams worry about their guy. The team has been in cap hell for half a decade and is crying over 4.2m in guarantees for a rookie QB who is gonna start for them.

I’m not crying.

I couldn’t give a shit.

 

[TL1961]

That's nice, last year they had Braxton Jones Darnell Wright Kiran Amegadjie and Larry Borom as their offensive tackles.

This year they'll be slated to keep Jones Wright Amegadjie and Trapilo.

Are you going to continue to run your mouth and look stupid or are you going to admit they didn't increase their depth at offensive tackle?

So…. you complain that Kiran played before he should have and then equate second year Kiran to injured part time first year Kiran?

They drafted Trapilo and before camp you’ve determined he’s not better than Borom who could not block you?

 

[TL1961]

So you believe based on the draft hype of Trapilo in the worst offensive tackle draft class in a decade that the one dimensional right tackle with ZERO NFL experience is better than the guy who has played in the NFL?

Is there anything Poles can do wrong in your eyes or is everything he does representative of a great GM?

Because using your logic, there is ZERO evidence that Trapilo is better. You're just assuming he's better because of the hype and because he was taken in the second round.

“Why don’t you think this 3rd rounder can be better than the 5th rounder from a few years back?”

“Because there was no Anthony Munoz in this draft who went in Rd 1!”

 

[Canth]

So you believe based on the draft hype of Trapilo in the worst offensive tackle draft class in a decade that the one dimensional right tackle with ZERO NFL experience is better than the guy who has played in the NFL?

Is there anything Poles can do wrong in your eyes or is everything he does representative of a great GM?

Because using your logic, there is ZERO evidence that Trapilo is better. You're just assuming he's better because of the hype and because he was taken in the second round.

Haven't you been saying every draft class is the worst draft class ever for like the past 2-3 years?

Generally speaking and as near as I can tell, whenever there is talk about a 'weak' draft class for a particular position group, it means there is not as much depth and so if you want a good one, you need to draft one early - like in the first 2 rounds. IMO, the top of the draft will always have plenty of capable players at any position group.

Again IMO, the Bears seem to have done that with Ozzy. He was the 6th rated OT on NFL.com for the 2025 draft and the first 5 went in the 1st round.

From a prospect profile, Borom was graded as 5.81 (Average backup or special-teamer) and it was thought he should probably be a guard in the NFL. Zierlein projected him as a 6th round pick that Pace took high in the 5th. The big knock on him was poor lateral movement and I think that was shown to be a real issue at the NFL level. So yes, he has NFL experience, most of it bad tape. He was a prospect that projected to be a lower tier backup and barely lived up to that projection.

Ozzy was graded as 6.31 (Will eventually be plus starter) and Zierlein projected him as a 2nd round pick and Poles picked him in the middle to end of the 2nd round, pretty much in line with the projection. So, Ozzy is the better prospect that was viewed as an NFL OT, albeit most probably projected him more as a RT than a LT. We'll see if Roushar can make him a viable LT.

So again, yes, I do see Ozzy as an upgrade over Borom. Ozzy has more talent and luckily for him, he should be getting better coaching to enable him to best use that talent. Is it a projection? Yes, of course it is. But it's rather dumb to suggest there is no evidence that Ozzy can be better when he is clearly viewed as the better prospect. And it's also pretty stupid to think that rookies, especially ones drafted in the first couple of rounds, cannot possibly outplay shitty veterans just because the veterans have some NFL experience.

Finally, I have never said that Poles can do no wrong, so feel free to **** right off on that one.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Haven't you been saying every draft class is the worst draft class ever for like the past 2-3 years?

Generally speaking and as near as I can tell, whenever there is talk about a 'weak' draft class for a particular position group, it means there is not as much depth and so if you want a good one, you need to draft one early - like in the first 2 rounds. IMO, the top of the draft will always have plenty of capable players at any position group.

Again IMO, the Bears seem to have done that with Ozzy. He was the 6th rated OT on NFL.com for the 2025 draft and the first 5 went in the 1st round.

From a prospect profile, Borom was graded as 5.81 (Average backup or special-teamer) and it was thought he should probably be a guard in the NFL. Zierlein projected him as a 6th round pick that Pace took high in the 5th. The big knock on him was poor lateral movement and I think that was shown to be a real issue at the NFL level. So yes, he has NFL experience, most of it bad tape. He was a prospect that projected to be a lower tier backup and barely lived up to that projection.

Ozzy was graded as 6.31 (Will eventually be plus starter) and Zierlein projected him as a 2nd round pick and Poles picked him in the middle to end of the 2nd round, pretty much in line with the projection. So, Ozzy is the better prospect that was viewed as an NFL OT, albeit most probably projected him more as a RT than a LT. We'll see if Roushar can make him a viable LT.

So again, yes, I do see Ozzy as an upgrade over Borom. Ozzy has more talent and luckily for him, he should be getting better coaching to enable him to best use that talent. Is it a projection? Yes, of course it is. But it's rather dumb to suggest there is no evidence that Ozzy can be better when he is clearly viewed as the better prospect. And it's also pretty stupid to think that rookies, especially ones drafted in the first couple of rounds, cannot possibly outplay shitty veterans just because the veterans have some NFL experience.

Finally, I have never said that Poles can do no wrong, so feel free to **** right off on that one.

TLDR

But yes Poles sucks as a GM and I would never trust him to draft a guy from his own school because of his stupid affinity for players like that. He develops man crushes on guys who can't play.

 

[msadows]

TLDR

But yes Poles sucks as a GM and I would never trust him to draft a guy from his own school because of his stupid affinity for players like that. He develops man crushes on guys who can't play.

How many guys has he drafted from his own school?

Stick to sniffing paint.

You have proven multiple times over that you are clueless when it comes to offensive line play in the nfl.

Poles may not end up a good GM, but you're a moron when it comes to oline, What happened to j'marcus webb?

 

[playthrough2001]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1935025719010349195

 

[bamainatlanta]

Do you know what increase means?

And yes he could very well be. We don't know how good Trapilo is. We're currently riding the hype of the NFL Draft.

It’s fluff season. I’m optimistic but that means nothing.

 

[knoxville7]

2nd rounders should get fully guaranteed contracts. Most teams and fans argue that 2nd rounders need to start and/or be significant contributers so why shouldnt they be compensated as such.

I am sure they can pull the data of the % of 2nd rounders that play at least 50% of team snaps over their rookie contracts. If say 60-70% of 2nd rounders play at least 50% then guarantee their contracts.

Why?!

NFL vets don’t even get fully guaranteed contracts

 

[remydat]

Why?!

NFL vets don’t even get fully guaranteed contracts

NFL vets dont have their compensation fixed at rates that favor teams so their contracts are irrelevant.

Sam Bradford got 6 years and 78 million prior to rookie scale. That is 13m a year when the cap was 120m. The 2024 cap was 255m so a deal similar to that for Caleb would be 6 years 165m. Caleb instead got 4 years 39 million. So that is around 17m a year in savings.

The rookie salary scale was introduced to control compensation and one of the concessions to the rookies for that was guaranteed contracts. So only question IMO is whether the 2nd rounders historically contribute enough during their rookie contracts to justify guaranteeing their contracts.

 

[bamainatlanta]

NFL vets dont have their compensation fixed at rates that favor teams so their contracts are irrelevant.

Sam Bradford got 6 years and 78 million prior to rookie scale. That is 13m a year when the cap was 120m. The 2024 cap was 255m so a deal similar to that for Caleb would be 6 years 165m. Caleb instead got 4 years 39 million. So that is around 17m a year in savings.

The rookie salary scale was introduced to control compensation and one of the concessions to the rookies for that was guaranteed contracts. So only question IMO is whether the 2nd rounders historically contribute enough during their rookie contracts to justify guaranteeing their contracts.

The 1st round holdout shit from that era was so annoying. Glad the NBA & NFL wisened up.

 

[msadows]

I’m not crying.

I couldn’t give a shit.

I'm not saying you. I should have said "NFL TEAMS". Its like 1m/yr guaranteed they are arguing over. So fucking pointless.

 

[remydat]

The 1st round holdout shit from that era was so annoying. Glad the NBA & NFL wisened up.

The system is much better now but think it favors the teams too much. Guaranteeing rookie contracts is a small price to pay given how much money and headache the rookie scale saves.

 

[Les Grossman]

The system is much better now but think it favors the teams too much. Guaranteeing rookie contracts is a small price to pay given how much money and headache the rookie scale saves.

Yeah but they idea is that the savings in the rookie scale goes to the larger veteran contracts (which are likely not guaranteed but hey).

 

[DanielCCSBears]

It’s fluff season. I’m optimistic but that means nothing.

If he's a stud that turns into a good starter I'll be happy. It would be an absolutely phenomenal development for a second round pick to become a good starter and to have a third round pick become the key swing tackle and backup.

But I don't trust that this has happened. This has been three years of OJT for Ryan Poles and there aren't any signs he's gotten better. I'm of the opinion he never got over being cut and not making it and now he's just drafting guys like him or guys he would have liked to have been teammates with so he can build the culture of guys that he sees as can be of high character but very much struggle at being good at football.

 

[--CyBear--]

If he's a stud that turns into a good starter I'll be happy. It would be an absolutely phenomenal development for a second round pick to become a good starter and to have a third round pick become the key swing tackle and backup.

But I don't trust that this has happened. This has been three years of OJT for Ryan Poles and there aren't any signs he's gotten better. I'm of the opinion he never got over being cut and not making it and now he's just drafting guys like him or guys he would have liked to have been teammates with so he can build the culture of guys that he sees as can be of high character but very much struggle at being good at football.

Poles was a UDFA. He's not drafting any day 2 clones of himself. Trapilo and Amegadjie do not mimic his nor even each other's player traits.

 

[playthrough2001]

Poles was a UDFA. He's not drafting any day 2 clones of himself. Trapilo and Amegadjie do not mimic his nor even each other's player traits.

He hates Poles for some bizarre reason and tries to undermine any selection he makes. He would have been tied up in knots if Poles had drafted his favorite fullback.

 

[--CyBear--]

He hates Poles for some bizarre reason and tries to undermine any selection he makes. He would have been tied up in knots if Poles had drafted his favorite fullback.

Poles hasn't been stellar so far but it appears to have turned a corner.

 

[msadows]

He hates Poles for some bizarre reason and tries to undermine any selection he makes. He would have been tied up in knots if Poles had drafted his favorite fullback.

If he hates him that means poles is starting to do a good job

One thing that we have all learned on this board is that daniel is wrong 90% of the time. Every year he was a giant meatball and said the bears would be great and scrubs would develop.....they sucked. Now that he's finally a doom and gloomer it means the bears might actually be good

 

[playthrough2001]

Poles hasn't been stellar so far but it appears to have turned a corner.

I don’t know. If you told me a few years ago the Bears would have DJ Moore, Caleb Williams, Luther Burden, and Rome Odunze alone, I would have told you to put down the pipe.

What would constitute “stellar” considering what he had to start with?