Official NFL Draft Thread - How Hyppo became a Bear - Bear Fans ONLY

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I don’t think he’s saying both. He’s saying either or.
Probably but to think they'd pass on Burden if there is crazy. He was not a need and got selected due to value. Nothing there to make us think they feel differently about that if they draft Henderson. Henderson is not a WR.
 

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I can almost guarantee trapilo would not have been. Turner, maybe, but both of those guys went around their draft spot. If anything turner fell a bit then expected.

But yes, if they took burden and henderson its heavily unlikely they would have gotten trap/turner. Maybe they trade up for one of them from 72.

My guess is the original plan was henderson/luther. It seemed like everything we've heard thus far luther was BPA on their board, likely even over henderson, and they couldnt believe he dropped that far. I personally cant either, I fully expected the pats to take him there.
Everything we've heard from who? Because i can show you multiple posts in just this thread of you shitting on people posting about the media saying we tried trading up for Henderson and Jeanty so it can't be the media you're talking about right? Please just simply answer this question if that's possible for you to do.
 

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Probably but to think they'd pass on Burden if there is crazy. He was not a need and got selected due to value. Nothing there to make us think they feel differently about that if they draft Henderson. Henderson is not a WR.
RB was the bigger need IMO.
 

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RB was the bigger need IMO.
Has nothing to do with it as that's a given. Point was that it wasn't an either or as in your scenario. Has nothing to do with it. The issue is whether they take Burden 2 picks later at 41 or trade down after they take Henderson at 39. N.O. was taking their QB at 40 and Burden would have been there. They still take Burden, cross there fingers and a lineman early 3.

If they were as set on RB as you are, they would have taken Harvey or Johnson with one of their trade down picks. Everybody takes needs in their drafts but this regime is not passing on value to do so. DL and an OT were also real needs. They took Burden 1st.
 
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Everything we've heard from who? Because i can show you multiple posts in just this thread of you shitting on people posting about the media saying we tried trading up for Henderson and Jeanty so it can't be the media you're talking about right? Please just simply answer this question if that's possible for you to do.
"There was a lot of value there," Poles said. "He was at the top of our board. Really did a good job following the board, kind of letting it talk to us. It was clear he was the most talented player on the board. He's an electric player, playmaker, highly competitive, and the run-after-the-catch is special, probably the best in this class. When you add that to the group that we have, things get pretty exciting."


He was BPA on Bears board which is only board that matters for the Bears.

So unless Saints take Birden at 40, he would still be the top player on Bears board at 41 so doubt they trade down.
 

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Has nothing to do with it as that's a given. Point was that it wasn't an either or as in your scenario. Has nothing to do with it. The issue is whether they take Burden 2 picks later at 41 or trade down after they take Henderson at 39. N.O. was taking their QB at 40 and Burden would have been there. They still take Burden, cross there fingers and a lineman early 3.

If they were as set on RB as you are, they would have taken Harvey or Johnson with one of their trade down picks. Everybody takes needs in their drafts but this regime is not passing on value to do so. DL and an OT were also real needs. They took Burden 1st.
And they also used 2nd round picks on DL and OT.
 

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"There was a lot of value there," Poles said. "He was at the top of our board. Really did a good job following the board, kind of letting it talk to us. It was clear he was the most talented player on the board. He's an electric player, playmaker, highly competitive, and the run-after-the-catch is special, probably the best in this class. When you add that to the group that we have, things get pretty exciting."


He was BPA on Bears board which is only board that matters for the Bears.

So unless Saints take Birden at 40, he would still be the top player on Bears board at 41 so doubt they trade down.
I agree but we don't know for sure and i'm pretty sure you know that Poles isn't going to come out and say the guy they just drafted wasn't at the top of their board right? Actually no GM is going to say that but that doesn't mean it isn't true either.
 

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Probably but to think they'd pass on Burden if there is crazy. He was not a need and got selected due to value. Nothing there to make us think they feel differently about that if they draft Henderson. Henderson is not a WR.
Yea, I dunno. You’re right though. If he was high on the board, they’d still take him, but also I guess no guarantee Burden would be there at 41 either… unless they took him at 39 and hoped Henderson would reach 41. Also, don’t know if the plan was always going to be to try and move down from 41 for the right price.
 

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Luke Newman specifically mentions playing center feels natural. Seems like they may like that Newman can probably handle any of the IOL spots.
Always though that would be the emphasis considering his build and it seems scouts have told him the same. He's a little small(6'3"), short armed (31") for what Johnson would project at G.
 

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Luke Newman specifically mentions playing center feels natural. Seems like they may like that Newman can probably handle any of the IOL spots.

All of the rookies have a mature presence this year. Both of these guys seem like they have the mindset necessary to make the team.

Camp should be quite interesting.
 

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I agree but we don't know for sure and i'm pretty sure you know that Poles isn't going to come out and say the guy they just drafted wasn't at the top of their board right? Actually no GM is going to say that but that doesn't mean it isn't true either.
What? The guy they draft is always at the top of their board or they'd draft somebody else.
 

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I agree but we don't know for sure and i'm pretty sure you know that Poles isn't going to come out and say the guy they just drafted wasn't at the top of their board right? Actually no GM is going to say that but that doesn't mean it isn't true either.
No but they will sometimes say they took someone due to need. He wasn't as gung ho about Ozzy or Turner being the clear top players on their board because they were likely more need picks that were in the same tier as whoever they had as the top player.

By contrast, what he is saying about Burden is that he was so head and shoulders above anyone else on their board that they took him over a player that fit more of a need.

Generally a GM will go BPA when no one of comparable talent but greater need is in the ballpark. Otherwise if there is a player of comparable talent at a position of need but maybe graded say 80 while the best player on the board is at 83 then they will take the player that fills a bigger need.

So likely Loveland and Burden were graded much higher than guys at positions of need.
 
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What? The guy they draft is always at the top of their board or they'd draft somebody else.
Obviously, but the post i was replying to he said he was the BPA on his board even if Henderson was there because that's what we were hearing from everyone so i was just saying we don't know that.
 

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No but they will sometimes say they took someone due to need. He wasn't as gung ho about Ozzy or Turner being the clear top players on their board because they were likely more need picks that were in the same tier as whoever they had as the top player.

By contrast, what he is saying about Birden is that he was so head and shoulders above anyone else on their board that they took him over a player that fit more of a need.

Generally a GM will go BPA when no one of comparable talent but greater need is in the ballpark. Otherwise if there is a player of comparable talent at a position of need but maybe graded say 80 while the best player on the board is at 83 then they will take the player that fills a bigger need.

So likely Loveland and Burden were grade much higher than guys at positions of need.
It's funny because I think they would have been very happy with either Loveland or Burden to fill the inside receiving threat role and got them both. Not the same position and also why they got both. Obviously, they don't take another TE if he's BPA, lol.
 

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