Official NFL Draft Thread - Oz Fest - Bear Fans ONLY

[msadows]

If I told we had those guys and still went 6-10, you'd think I was already high. I'm no hater and take whatever stance you like but by year 3, 6-10 is FAR from stellar and team record is where the buck stops with GMs. I have good ideas why that happened but any and all of them will relate to a GM's choices. I like just about everything he's done so far this year and I genuinely like his demeanor and openness but he'd be the 1st guy to tell you that he (the team) needs to do better. I was not a fire Poles guy but to ignore how badly this team failed in his 3rd year, when things should be showing signs of success is wearing blinders.

It's all worked out but consider that he had an opportunity to sign Ben Johnson before last year and decided to keep instead of flush the Flus like Warren and Cunningham advised. Thank God BJ still wanted the Bear.

Team failed because of coaching. That goes on poles, but again we dont know if he was even allowed to fire flus in the 2024 offseason. We have no clue if the bolded is true at all, there are plenty of reports saying that ginny/george would not let him fire flus.

The fact he was only given a choice of 3-4 coaches in 2022 and the bears already interviewed them all is a freaking joke. Ass backwards. Thats shit the jaguars do.

Coaching makes a massive difference in the NFL. People will see that difference this year for the lolions and bears.

 

[--CyBear--]

There was literally one other tackle available in that range

Trapilo was the highest graded T remaining on every service. You know, another over drafted Poles clone that is nothing like him.

 

[--CyBear--]

Team failed because of coaching. That goes on poles, but again we dont know if he was even allowed to fire flus in the 2024 offseason. We have no clue if the bolded is true at all, there are plenty of reports saying that ginny/george would not let him fire flus.

The fact he was only given a choice of 3-4 coaches in 2022 and the bears already interviewed them all is a freaking joke. Ass backwards. Thats shit the jaguars do.

Coaching makes a massive difference in the NFL. People will see that difference this year for the lolions and bears.

We never know what's true in a front office but there were a few reports that Poles was in Flus's corner when others were not. I'm not going to arbitrarily hate on a loyal guy but it was an error and I'm sure he could have moved on if he so chose to. My guess is something like George gave the OK to move on but preferred not to and Poles + George won over Warren + Cunningham.

I'm just happy that we finally got an O side HC that will still be here if he becomes successful. It's all sort of fallen into place with getting Allen after a couple of failed HC stints which may keep him here a while as well. May all have worked out for the best. Fingers crossed. Team could use some luck.

 

[playthrough2001]

It's all worked out but consider that he had an opportunity to sign Ben Johnson before last year and decided to keep instead of flush the Flus like Warren and Cunningham advised. Thank God BJ still wanted the Bear.

Warren and Cunningham advised Poles to fire Flus before the start of the 2024 season? I must have missed that. What source are you referencing on that topic?

 

[pseudonym]

This wasn't a Ben Johnson pick this was Ryan Poles pick. This was his guy from Boston College. In the draft phone call Poles says to him "Hey did you know our dad's were on the same team together at BC?"

This was a Ryan Poles fawning over one of his guys that he had a personal connection to and picking him. This is a typical Ryan Poles type move where he has a personal connection to the guy and he thinks he can better judge them as a player because of it.

I doubt Poles picked Ozzy without Ben being on board. Ben loves Ozzy. It was a great pick.

 

[--CyBear--]

Warren and Cunningham advised Poles to fire Flus before the start of the 2024 season? I must have missed that. What source are you referencing on that topic?

I stated it as rumor, not fact. Sources on this stuff is never known. That would be some super scoop.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I doubt Poles picked Ozzy without Ben being on board. Ben loves Ozzy. It was a great pick.

Ersery would have been a great pick. At least you're getting an athlete and the guy who completely wiped out Abdul Carter in their head to head matchup.

Mike Green the NCAA sack leader with 17 sacks who dominated Ozzy Trapilo during Senior Bowl practices would have been a great pick.

Trapilo is not a great pick and calling him a great pick is exactly the Bears fluffy soft hyperbole I'm talking about.

 

[Washington]

Ersery would have been a great pick. At least you're getting an athlete and the guy who completely wiped out Abdul Carter in their head to head matchup.

Mike Green the NCAA sack leader with 17 sacks who dominated Ozzy Trapilo during Senior Bowl practices would have been a great pick.

Trapilo is not a great pick and calling him a great pick is exactly the Bears fluffy soft hyperbole I'm talking about.

Wouldn't it make sense to see this play out before defining what is a great pick and what it not?

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Wouldn't it make sense to see this play out before defining what is a great pick and what it not?

Why do you think Trapilo is better than Ersery? Why is Burden a better pick than Green?

You know why the Ravens are consistently great? Because when a great player falls into your lap you draft him.

How much better would the defense be with Carter and Green being the cornerstone players of their front seven for the next decade instead of Booker and Dexter?

Ersery shut down Abdul Carter. Mike Green dominated Ozzy Trapilo what is wrong with me stating the facts?

 

[Washington]

Why do you think Trapilo is better than Ersery? Why is Burden a better pick than Green?

You know why the Ravens are consistently great? Because when a great player falls into your lap you draft him.

How much better would the defense be with Carter and Green being the cornerstone players of their front seven for the next decade instead of Booker and Dexter?

Ersery shut down Abdul Carter. Mike Green dominated Ozzy Trapilo what is wrong with me stating the facts?

Did I say Trapilo is better than Ersery? Did I say Burden is a better pick than Green? I actually stated I wanted Green which might have been stated to you in another thread. What I am willing to do and you are not is actually watch it play out before I flatly state a truism that is not a truism right now because none of these players have played a single down in the NFL.

Since Ersery shut down the great Carter, shouldn't he have been drafted ahead of Carter? How the hell did he drop like that being a known superstar?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Why do you think Trapilo is better than Ersery? Why is Burden a better pick than Green?

You know why the Ravens are consistently great? Because when a great player falls into your lap you draft him.

How much better would the defense be with Carter and Green being the cornerstone players of their front seven for the next decade instead of Booker and Dexter?

Ersery shut down Abdul Carter. Mike Green dominated Ozzy Trapilo what is wrong with me stating the facts?

You're such a halfwit. Whether I liked a pick or not, I'm not going to sit here and act like they are a bust before they've ever played a game in the nfl.

You can be mad at poles for many things but not drafting green and jalen carter isn't one of them. Ownership would never allow those moves (even though they were the right choice).

Ersery didn't shut down Carter. He played well against him but he had a few pretty brutal reps against him where Minnesota qb just got the ball out quick.

Trapillo was better at the senior bowl than ersery. Mike Green dominated every matchup he had at the senior bowl. You are also talking about a drill made for pass rushers and Mike Green is an elite pass rusher.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Did I say Trapilo is better than Ersery? Did I say Burden is a better pick than Green? I actually stated I wanted Green which might have been stated to you in another thread. What I am willing to do and you are not is actually watch it play out before I flatly state a truism that is not a truism right now because none of these players have played a single down in the NFL.

Since Ersery shut down the great Carter, shouldn't he have been drafted ahead of Carter? How the hell did he drop like that being a known superstar?

So I can't speak to the facts as they are right now?

I can only share my opinion after the season has started?

What do you want from me?

What do you want me to change?

Who should I be complimenting more and criticizing less?

By all accounts Ben Johnson is probably a top-5 offensive mind in the NFL. Unprompted about Ben Johnson Andy Reid was very complimentary of him during his Super Bowl press conference.

Dennis Allen has been a consistently good defensive coordinator and a good defensive coordinator is what Johnson needed more than anything else.

What else do you want me to say?

What should I be saying different?

Ersery was a better option than Burden and Trapilo on draft day.

Mike Green was a better option than trading back.

When a statement of fact comes out that an offensive tackle with these athletic traits have had fantastic long term careers the traits that Ersery has why can't my preference be to draft him over Trapilo?

When the Bears desperately need an edge rusher instead of another wide receiver a WR that comes with character concerns why can't my preference be to draft him? Why can't I criticize Poles? Why can it only be after the fact?

 

[msadows]

Wouldn't it make sense to see this play out before defining what is a great pick and what it not?

Just a reminder, Daniel watched a few minutes of tape on Jack Conklin and said he's the worst first round tackle prospect he's ever seen and a guaranteed surefire bust.

Jack went on to be an all pro at tackle as a ROOKIE.

Daniel is the last person on this website to trust when evaluating player talent. If anything, the opposite of what he says is typically true.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I think ersery has a lower floor than trapillo but also a much higher ceiling

 

[DefNextYear]

I think ersery has a lower floor than trapillo but also a much higher ceiling

The thing here is Ersery also has to be good enough that he would've been worth taking at 41 and not getting Shemar and not moving back into the 4th round. Getting more quality shots will probably win out in the long run. In this case, the Bears turned a 2nd, 3rd, and 7th into two 2nds and a 4th.

 

[Canth]

Did I say Trapilo is better than Ersery? Did I say Burden is a better pick than Green? I actually stated I wanted Green which might have been stated to you in another thread. What I am willing to do and you are not is actually watch it play out before I flatly state a truism that is not a truism right now because none of these players have played a single down in the NFL.

Since Ersery shut down the great Carter, shouldn't he have been drafted ahead of Carter? How the hell did he drop like that being a known superstar?

Yep. And while not the end all, be all by any means...the NFL.com grades have Ozzy ahead of Ersery too. I wonder if Zierlein is also a BC alum as apparently that is the only reason you could ever rate Ozzy ahead of anyone else. It's a wonder really how Ozzy was even drafted.

 

[Canth]

The thing here is Ersery also has to be good enough that he would've been worth taking at 41 and not getting Shemar and not moving back into the 4th round. Getting more quality shots will probably win out in the long run. In this case, the Bears turned a 2nd, 3rd, and 7th into two 2nds and a 4th.

Also a good point. Ersery was already picked by the time the Bears took Ozzy. So, they would have had to either take Ersery instead of Burden or not do the trade back if they really wanted Ersery.

 

[Washington]

So I can't speak to the facts as they are right now?

I can only share my opinion after the season has started?

What do you want from me?

What do you want me to change?

Who should I be complimenting more and criticizing less?

By all accounts Ben Johnson is probably a top-5 offensive mind in the NFL. Unprompted about Ben Johnson Andy Reid was very complimentary of him during his Super Bowl press conference.

Dennis Allen has been a consistently good defensive coordinator and a good defensive coordinator is what Johnson needed more than anything else.

What else do you want me to say?

What should I be saying different?

Ersery was a better option than Burden and Trapilo on draft day.

Mike Green was a better option than trading back.

When a statement of fact comes out that an offensive tackle with these athletic traits have had fantastic long term careers the traits that Ersery has why can't my preference be to draft him over Trapilo?

When the Bears desperately need an edge rusher instead of another wide receiver a WR that comes with character concerns why can't my preference be to draft him? Why can't I criticize Poles? Why can it only be after the fact?

My issue is someone stating something like a fact:

"Ersery is the better pick. Poles sucks". How do you know that? Is it proven? I personally would go with "I believe Ersery will prove to be the better pick. Time will tell. "

Until stuff plays out, everything is simply an opinion and conjecture. You speak in positives as if the outcome is known.

I criticize Poles all the time but maybe he will have the last laugh. I hope so. I SMH at this years draft and I too wanted different players but now that what is done is done, I have no choice but to wait for it to play out before grading it. I have stated my opinion on the draft over and over but I don't know for sure Poles didn't end being right all along. Perhaps your crystal ball is better than mine.

Answer this though, since Ersery shutdown the great Carter, why was he not drafted ahead of Carter? Seems like you have Ersery as a sure fire success with no chance at failure and Ozzy as a sure fire failure. Interesting too that you stated one of the reasons Ozzy will fail is because he's white. Care to explain that one.

 

[msadows]

My issue is someone stating something like a fact:

"Ersery is the better pick. Poles sucks". How do you know that? Is it proven? I personally would go with "I believe Ersery will prove to be the better pick. Time will tell. "

Until stuff plays out, everything is simply an opinion and conjecture. You speak in positives as if the outcome is known.

I criticize Poles all the time but maybe he will have the last laugh. I hope so. I SMH at this years draft and I too wanted different players but now that what is done is done, I have no choice but to wait for it to play out before grading it. I have stated my opinion on the draft over and over but I don't know for sure Poles didn't end being right all along. Perhaps your crystal ball is better than mine.

Answer this though, since Ersery shutdown the great Carter, why was he not drafted ahead of Carter? Seems like you have Ersery as a sure fire success with no chance at failure and Ozzy as a sure fire failure. Interesting too that you stated one of the reasons Ozzy will fail is because he's white. Care to explain that one.

Based on daniels analysis Will Campbell should have never been drafted in the first round because he looked bad against Jared Verse and Dallas Turner in his 2023 season.

Daniel also thinks Darnell Wright isnt good but he shut down Will Anderson in college. Clearly he is pro bowl bound because of what he did in one college game.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

My issue is someone stating something like a fact:

"Ersery is the better pick. Poles sucks". How do you know that? Is it proven? I personally would go with "I believe Ersery will prove to be the better pick. Time will tell. "

Until stuff plays out, everything is simply an opinion and conjecture. You speak in positives as if the outcome is known.

I criticize Poles all the time but maybe he will have the last laugh. I hope so. I SMH at this years draft and I too wanted different players but now that what is done is done, I have no choice but to wait for it to play out before grading it. I have stated my opinion on the draft over and over but I don't know for sure Poles didn't end being right all along. Perhaps your crystal ball is better than mine.

Answer this though, since Ersery shutdown the great Carter, why was he not drafted ahead of Carter? Seems like you have Ersery as a sure fire success with no chance at failure and Ozzy as a sure fire failure. Interesting too that you stated one of the reasons Ozzy will fail is because he's white. Care to explain that one.

So the question is why one game didn't make the difference between the best pick in the draft and Ersery.

Whereas I used one example between two similar prospects to express my opinion and I'm the one who is using a strawman argument...

Add in the difference in athletic skills between Trapilo and Ersery and I'm in the wrong correct?