Official NFL Draft Thread - Why aren’t 2nd round picks signing? - Bear Fans ONLY

[DanielCCSBears]

So, you are expecting Ozzy to be worse than Borom?

Do you know what increase means?

And yes he could very well be. We don't know how good Trapilo is. We're currently riding the hype of the NFL Draft.

 

[TL1961]

The player holding up second round signings has been identified. It’s Tyler Shough.

From the article:

According to Joel Corry, a former NFL and NBA agent who writes a column for CBS Sports, it's the player chosen one spot after Bears wide receiver Luther Burden III in Round 2 who is the instigator, so to speak. It's Saints quarterback Tyler Shough, the 40th pick.

Corry cites a source saying Shough wants a fully guaranteed contract through all four years, based on the expectation he'll be the starting Saints quarterback. It's not necessarily a case at the moment where other second-rounders are demanding fully guaranteed ocntracts, but they have to wait to see if Shough gets his. Then they would want it.

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“The second-round signings have come to a grinding halt because of 40th overall pick Tyler Shough, who was the eighth player selected in the round,” CBS Sports’ Joel Corry reported. “According to sources, Shough is insisting on a fully guaranteed contract since he is expecting to be the New Orleans Saints’ starting quarterback for the 2025 regular-season opener with Derek Carr recently retiring.”

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Former Louisville quarterback Tyler Shough hasn’t taken a snap for the Saints yet, but he’s already making waves. The rookie is reportedly holding out for a fully guaranteed deal—putting pressure on New Orleans and potentially shaking up second-round contracts across the league.

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Shough is actually the player I would pick as Fully Guaranteed to Disappoint. If N.O. gives him a fully guaranteed contract they deserve to suck.

 

[--CyBear--]

Yea, I didn't mean to imply that he's only getting Swift's time. Generally, he can earn time this year given the overall competition in the RB room.

Swift is only mentioned cause he's the starter this year and he's likely not on the team as soon as next year. There are few other teams where Monangai can earn a #2 spot and then have the #1 guy gone as soon as a year later.

I don't think Monangai becomes the defacto RB1 when Swift is gone. I suspect BJ will still want a speed back to share snaps. Something else to remember is that Wheeler had some pro scout's watches crack into the 4.3s at his pro day. Not predicting he takes anyone's job yet but it will help him make this HC's squad. I was hoping he'd stick before the ding last year.

 

[--CyBear--]

Shough is actually the player I would pick as Fully Guaranteed to Disappoint. If N.O. gives him a fully guaranteed contract they deserve to suck.

What bargaining power does he have? Saints should tell him to pound sand and re-enter the draft next year if he wants.

 

[msadows]

So, you are expecting Ozzy to be worse than Borom?

No point in drafting players, fat donut boy knows the script. Kinda weird he's broke instead of rich if he knows how all players in the NFL will turn out.

The depth is much better. Kiran was basically unusable last year due to his lack of camp and practice time. Their only real option at tackle was borom.

Now they have a 2nd and high 3rd round pick to compete with braxton. Maybe kiran wont be amazing but he's certainly going to be better than he was last year with a full NFL offseason program under his belt and a real coaching staff teaching him.

 

[msadows]

Shough is actually the player I would pick as Fully Guaranteed to Disappoint. If N.O. gives him a fully guaranteed contract they deserve to suck.

His contract would be like 4 years 10m based on last years numbers. Dejean got 5.8m of it guaranteed.

So we are crying over 4.2m in salary cap over 4 years.

I get its a slippery slope but if I'm the saints just give him the fucking deal and move on. Let the other 29 teams worry about their guy. The team has been in cap hell for half a decade and is crying over 4.2m in guarantees for a rookie QB who is gonna start for them.

 

[SugarWalls]

What bargaining power does he have? Saints should tell him to pound sand and re-enter the draft next year if he wants.

So the saints just completely punt on this year and don’t even attempt to sell a mediocre product to their fans and players on the team?

 

[Canth]

Do you know what increase means?

And yes he could very well be. We don't know how good Trapilo is. We're currently riding the hype of the NFL Draft.

Do you understand how NFL roster construction works? Teams only keep between 8-10 OL on the 53 man roster. They often only keep 3 OT - 2 starting OT and 1 swing tackle.

It would be extremely rare for any NFL team to carry more than 4 OT on their 53 man roster.

So, if you are now trying to define an improvement at OT depth as achievable only if they keep 5 OT on the 53 man, then you are going to be very disappointed.

 

[msadows]

Do you understand how NFL roster construction works? Teams only keep between 8-10 OL on the 53 man roster. They often only keep 3 OT - 2 starting OT and 1 swing tackle.

It would be extremely rare for any NFL team to carry more than 4 OT on their 53 man roster.

So, if you are now trying to define an improvement at OT depth as achievable only if they keep 5 OT on the 53 man, then you are going to be very disappointed.

To be fair, this dumb **** thought j'marcus webb was the next hall of fame tackle in the NFL. He didnt even make the roster and a 5th round rookie started over him.

He also said laremy tunsil was a bust after one year.

He also said that jack conklin would be the biggest bust in the NFL draft, and the guy went on to be an ALL PRO as a rookie.

Daniel is about the last guy who anyone should take opinions from regarding the Oline. He actually has a really long track record of liking players that end up busts, and hating players that end up great.

This is the same genius who said pat mahomes would be dogshit in the NFL.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Do you understand how NFL roster construction works? Teams only keep between 8-10 OL on the 53 man roster. They often only keep 3 OT - 2 starting OT and 1 swing tackle.

It would be extremely rare for any NFL team to carry more than 4 OT on their 53 man roster.

So, if you are now trying to define an improvement at OT depth as achievable only if they keep 5 OT on the 53 man, then you are going to be very disappointed.

That's nice, last year they had Braxton Jones Darnell Wright Kiran Amegadjie and Larry Borom as their offensive tackles.

This year they'll be slated to keep Jones Wright Amegadjie and Trapilo.

Are you going to continue to run your mouth and look stupid or are you going to admit they didn't increase their depth at offensive tackle?

 

[knoxville7]

So the saints just completely punt on this year and don’t even attempt to sell a mediocre product to their fans and players on the team?

Spencer Rattler time baby!!

 

[msadows]

That's nice, last year they had Braxton Jones Darnell Wright Kiran Amegadjie and Larry Borom as their offensive tackles.

This year they'll be slated to keep Jones Wright Amegadjie and Trapilo.

Are you going to continue to run your mouth and look stupid or are you going to admit they didn't increase their depth at offensive tackle?

They did increase their depth

Time to take a break and huff some paint bud

 

[--CyBear--]

So the saints just completely punt on this year and don’t even attempt to sell a mediocre product to their fans and players on the team?

You're reading in quite a bit. If a 2nd round player, some deem over drafted, is too demanding, you make him weigh his options and sitting out a year is a really bad one for a player that wasn't coveted. No one said to stop negotiations but if it came to an impasse, it's easy to see who has the upper hand here. If the kid holds out through the start of the year, how does that help improve their mediocrity?

Please don't respond with something about you understanding my context better than I do.

 

[Washington]

That's nice, last year they had Braxton Jones Darnell Wright Kiran Amegadjie and Larry Borom as their offensive tackles.

This year they'll be slated to keep Jones Wright Amegadjie and Trapilo.

Are you going to continue to run your mouth and look stupid or are you going to admit they didn't increase their depth at offensive tackle?

Thuney also provides depth. He did damn well for KC last year when pushed into the position.

You use the word "increase" as if this is a numbers game. You should use "improve". A team can only carry so many players at each position. Replacing Borom with anybody is an improvement. Now, come next year, they will need to add another OT to replace Jones who hopefully is long gone.

 

[Canth]

That's nice, last year they had Braxton Jones Darnell Wright Kiran Amegadjie and Larry Borom as their offensive tackles.

This year they'll be slated to keep Jones Wright Amegadjie and Trapilo.

Are you going to continue to run your mouth and look stupid or are you going to admit they didn't increase their depth at offensive tackle?

I view Ozzy as an upgrade over Borom. The only real question in my mind is how much and we won't know that until the pads come on and the games start. Hell, there is even a non zero chance that Ozzy wins the starting LT spot, especially if Braxton is slow coming back off his injury.

I also think that Kiran will be improved as he gets an entire offseason to work on both his craft and the weight room and with better coaching. Again, the question will the degree of improvement and we will not know that until the pads come on.

You seem to think that 'increase' can only mean more quantity but that is not actually the full definition of the word. And as you can see below from dictionary.com, greater as in quality is a part of the definition. And I do think the quality of the OT depth is improved.

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"to make greater, as in number, size, strength, or quality; augment; add to."

 

[SugarWalls]

You're reading in quite a bit. If a 2nd round player, some deem over drafted, is too demanding, you make him weigh his options and sitting out a year is a really bad one for a player that wasn't coveted. No one said to stop negotiations but if it came to an impasse, it's easy to see who has the upper hand here. If the kid holds out through the start of the year, how does that help improve their mediocrity?

Please don't respond with something about you understanding my context better than I do.

I do agree for that the saints have all the leverage here as they can elect to not offer him what he wants.

I’m just pointing out that this is not entirely beneficial to the saints interest in anyway shape or form when it comes to winning football games this year. If they are tanking for the #1 overall pick then they definitely should not cave to any of shough’s demands, sure.

 

[remydat]

2nd rounders should get fully guaranteed contracts. Most teams and fans argue that 2nd rounders need to start and/or be significant contributers so why shouldnt they be compensated as such.

I am sure they can pull the data of the % of 2nd rounders that play at least 50% of team snaps over their rookie contracts. If say 60-70% of 2nd rounders play at least 50% then guarantee their contracts.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I view Ozzy as an upgrade over Borom. The only real question in my mind is how much and we won't know that until the pads come on and the games start. Hell, there is even a non zero chance that Ozzy wins the starting LT spot, especially if Braxton is slow coming back off his injury.

I also think that Kiran will be improved as he gets an entire offseason to work on both his craft and the weight room and with better coaching. Again, the question will the degree of improvement and we will not know that until the pads come on.

You seem to think that 'increase' can only mean more quantity but that is not actually the full definition of the word. And as you can see below from dictionary.com, greater as in quality is a part of the definition. And I do think the quality of the OT depth is improved.

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"to make greater, as in number, size, strength, or quality; augment; add to."

So you believe based on the draft hype of Trapilo in the worst offensive tackle draft class in a decade that the one dimensional right tackle with ZERO NFL experience is better than the guy who has played in the NFL?

Is there anything Poles can do wrong in your eyes or is everything he does representative of a great GM?

Because using your logic, there is ZERO evidence that Trapilo is better. You're just assuming he's better because of the hype and because he was taken in the second round.

 

[remydat]

So you believe based on the draft hype of Trapilo in the worst offensive tackle draft class in a decade that the one dimensional right tackle with ZERO NFL experience is better than the guy who has played in the NFL?

Is there anything Poles can do wrong in your eyes or is everything he does representative of a great GM?

Because using your logic, there is ZERO evidence that Trapilo is better. You're just assuming he's better because of the hype and because he was taken in the second round.

It would be hard for him not to be better than Borom was on NFL record pace for sacks given up.

It is hype to believe a 2nd rounder can bw better than one of the worst players at their position in 2024.

 

[DefNextYear]

I don't think Monangai becomes the defacto RB1 when Swift is gone. I suspect BJ will still want a speed back to share snaps. Something else to remember is that Wheeler had some pro scout's watches crack into the 4.3s at his pro day. Not predicting he takes anyone's job yet but it will help him make this HC's squad. I was hoping he'd stick before the ding last year.

No, of course not. I’m just saying there’s an opportunity. Most likely case the the Bears take a RB next year in the draft anyway. The point is that there’s a path. If he was on a team like the Falcons or Lions or Eagles, etc… that’s essentially hopeless. But on the Bears, he might be on a team with no clear No. 1 very soon.