***OFFICIAL*** NHL RESTART BLACKHAWKS vs. OILERS thread

[MassHavoc]

we all knew going in McDavid was going to be their only hope and rightfully so as he's showing kid is the best in the league right now

 

[Bigfoot]

Still like our chances. McJesus isnt going to have many games like this.

 

[Bigfoot]

Hahah Ctow your drunk go home. That is 3 softies

 

[MassHavoc]

Good night all. Onto game 3.

 

[Bigfoot]

I want to believe in Strome and Nylander, but damn they make it hard

 

[zack54attack]

Welp. Go get em wednesday

 

[Bigfoot]

Different team play than game 1. We watched and chased the puck, and didnt keep it simple.

 

[Bigfoot]

Crow 10 GA in 2 games. He needs to tighten up. See ya Wenesday boys

 

[anotheridiot]

That bouncing puck turned into the backhand goal by McDavid was incredible. It showed how bad that ice was going to be and what it was going to take to win. Cats assists were things of beauty, but he has to just be allowed to play with Kane after Nylander was clearly responsible for soft plays. The kid is great if he goes to the net, all I see is him entering the zone and going to the wall. But being on that second PP unit, he is not sitting.

Lot of bailing out by hawks after alot of big hits being taken. Guess we get that same crap ice Wednesday too. Crow going back to play that puck with two defenders back there just a massive mistake that he will make again. Over confidence will hopefully fall on the oilers next game.

Really wish it was worth staying up til the end.

 

[LordKOTL]

1st order of business for next game: Duncan Keith needs to steal his gear back from Matthew Keith. Horrible skill and leadership game from him. We need better from him on the ice--he was just as bad as Strome and Nylander.

 

[Granada]

I want to believe in Strome and Nylander, but damn they make it hard

Nylander sucks. Horrible turn over that led to a goal. I was hoping maybe Strome would gain some confidence from the fluky goal he scored last game, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Not to pin it all on them, but Boqvist and de Haan looked like garbage last night. I hate to say it, but Boqvist looked completely in over his head in this game; not covering Keith's man after Keith had to cover for him on McDavid's first goal; getting destroyed by Neal on the 6th goal.

 

[LordKOTL]

Nylander sucks. Horrible turn over that led to a goal. I was hoping maybe Strome would gain some confidence from the fluky goal he scored last game, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Not to pin it all on them, but Boqvist and de Haan looked like garbage last night. I hate to say it, but Boqvist looked completely in over his head in this game; not covering Keith's man after Keith had to cover for him on McDavid's first goal; getting destroyed by Neal on the 6th goal.

Boqvist is was Boqvist is though...a 19 year old defenseman. He wasn't good in any stretch of the imagination but expectations for him have to be tempered.

Keith, on the other hand, was hot taco Tuesday porta-potty scrapings. He had no excuse and needs to worry about his own game 1st and foremost. Bad turnovers (that led to goals), losing coverage, and selfish penalties. He was just as bad if not worse than he was in 2018. He's supposed to be a leader out there and was anything but. He deserves to be as far in the doghouse as Nylander is give that they were both liabilities last night.

 

[Granada]

Boqvist is was Boqvist is though...a 19 year old defenseman. He wasn't good in any stretch of the imagination but expectations for him have to be tempered.

Keith, on the other hand, was hot taco Tuesday porta-potty scrapings. He had no excuse and needs to worry about his own game 1st and foremost. Bad turnovers (that led to goals), losing coverage, and selfish penalties. He was just as bad if not worse than he was in 2018. He's supposed to be a leader out there and was anything but. He deserves to be as far in the doghouse as Nylander is give that they were both liabilities last night.

Keith wasn't great but he was far from the worst D-man last night -- that honor should go to either Boqvist or De Haan. And Keith "lost his man" because he had to cover for Boqvist, who should have switched -- this happened on at least two goals: the first of the game, and the sixth of the game, when Neal absolutely embarrassed Boqvist and bullied his way to the front of the net before Chiasson would finish the play.

The problem much of the time with Keith is, he tries to over-compensate for Boqvist's mistakes. McDavid's third goal was a shit pass by McDavid -- not much Keith could do there and he was playing it right by covering the man crashing the net (Draisitl, I think it was) instead of puck-watching; but unfortunately fluky shit happens like that.

And de Haan literally looked like Seabrook last night: completely outmatched speed-wise.

If expectations for Boqvist "have to be tempered" then you'd have to grant his defensive partner in Keith more slack as well, particularly since it's Keith's responsibility to cover the mistakes of his rookie partner.

 

[LordKOTL]

Keith wasn't great but he was far from the worst D-man last night -- that honor should go to either Boqvist or De Haan. And Keith "lost his man" because he had to cover for Boqvist, who should have switched -- this happened on at least two goals: the first of the game, and the sixth of the game, when Neal absolutely embarrassed Boqvist and bullied his way to the front of the net before Chiasson would finish the play.

The problem much of the time with Keith is, he tries to over-compensate for Boqvist's mistakes. McDavid's third goal was a shit pass by McDavid -- not much Keith could do there and he was playing it right by covering the man crashing the net (Draisitl, I think it was) instead of puck-watching; but unfortunately fluky shit happens like that.

And de Haan literally looked like Seabrook last night: completely outmatched speed-wise.

If expectations for Boqvist "have to be tempered" then you'd have to grant his defensive partner in Keith more slack as well, particularly since it's Keith's responsibility to cover the mistakes of his rookie partner.

I disagree. Keith needs to worry about himself because he loses coverage on his own and overcommits. That's why he sucked in 2018, and why he sucked last night. If he would have kept his coverage then there would have only been 1 defenseman out of position, as opposed to two.

And that doesn't excuse his selfish penalties, either. Keith, as a letter wearer and a vet has to be better via example--like Toews has been this series. IMHO Keith blew it and was the worst D-men and one of the worst guys on the ice.

 

[anotheridiot]

Nylander sucks. Horrible turn over that led to a goal. I was hoping maybe Strome would gain some confidence from the fluky goal he scored last game, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Not to pin it all on them, but Boqvist and de Haan looked like garbage last night. I hate to say it, but Boqvist looked completely in over his head in this game; not covering Keith's man after Keith had to cover for him on McDavid's first goal; getting destroyed by Neal on the 6th goal.

Bovquist was right behind the play when Keith jumped over. There was no way Bovquist could have gotten to the other side. Edmonton turned up the hitting and there was no Gilbert type response from anyone. Quenville was the biggest body and did not do much for the 8 or whatever minutes he got on the ice.

The Hawks won game 1 even though they were terrible at the dot other than Toews being 16-9. I wish half of that step up that Dach took over the time off would have been winning faceoffs. I dont know who else can do it now, seems both Strome and Dach need a faceoff guy on their lines. I would rather see Kane go in and take a draw.
I believe the only Rockford center on the trip, or player named as a center is Kurashev, but I cant find face off stats for any of them.
You look up NHL stats and that damn Phillip Danault is right behind Toews and Crosby, our second best is Dylan Strome at a measly 23%, Dach at 15%, Kampf at 14.

 

[Granada]

I disagree. Keith needs to worry about himself because he loses coverage on his own and overcommits. That's why he sucked in 2018, and why he sucked last night. If he would have kept his coverage then there would have only been 1 defenseman out of position, as opposed to two.

And that doesn't excuse his selfish penalties, either. Keith, as a letter wearer and a vet has to be better via example--like Toews has been this series. IMHO Keith blew it and was the worst D-men and one of the worst guys on the ice.

Boqvist lost his man first though. Keith couldn't just let Boqvist's man skate free there for a breakaway. It pretty common for the D to recognize and switch in that situation -- Boqvist should've known to switch. The kid's a rookie -- I get it -- but that excuse is getting old now and you can't just remove all responsibility from him and conveniently put it on Keith.

And let's not get carried away here -- I'd say Keith, normally, is pretty disciplined. Luckily, the penalty was killed anyway. I'd also say it's certainly not easy being paired with a rookie. You can't "worry about yourself" when you have a rookie as a partner, otherwise you'd be leaving said rookie out to dry when said rookie effs up -- and Boqvist effed up a lot last night.

 

[Granada]

Bovquist was right behind the play when Keith jumped over. There was no way Bovquist could have gotten to the other side. Edmonton turned up the hitting and there was no Gilbert type response from anyone. Quenville was the biggest body and did not do much for the 8 or whatever minutes he got on the ice.

The Hawks won game 1 even though they were terrible at the dot other than Toews being 16-9. I wish half of that step up that Dach took over the time off would have been winning faceoffs. I dont know who else can do it now, seems both Strome and Dach need a faceoff guy on their lines. I would rather see Kane go in and take a draw.
I believe the only Rockford center on the trip, or player named as a center is Kurashev, but I cant find face off stats for any of them.
You look up NHL stats and that damn Phillip Danault is right behind Toews and Crosby, our second best is Dylan Strome at a measly 23%, Dach at 15%, Kampf at 14.

Watch the video below. Boqvist gets burned by McDavid as he enters the zone. Then Boqvist stops skating and floats around, puck-watching. Seriously, watch his head -- he never sees McDavid, because he's watching the puck the whole time. Puck-watching = cardinal sin in hockey, we all know this.

McDavid scores 19 seconds in | Edmonton Oilers

CHI@EDM, Gm2: McDavid cleans up bouncing puck

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How did McDavid gain such easy entry into the zone? Because Boqvist stepped up in the neutral zone when he shouldn't have, and completely failed to neutralize him (via check) when he did so. The whole play started because Boqvist played it horribly. You say he was "behind on the play." Again, that was Boqvist's fault, because he stepped up on McDavid in the neutral zone. A d-man needs to pick and choose when to step up and when not -- and if you're stepping up, you better be damn sure, otherwise you're either giving up an odd-man rush or a breakaway, which is essentially what happened (it was a 2-on-1 with Archibald) and why Keith had to cut off McDavid before he got to the chip -in.

If you want to blame Keith for trying to cover up for Boqvist, that's anyone's prerogative, but it's ill-advised if you ask me because Boqvist was way more responsible for that goal than Keith.

Anyways, I thought Quenneville was fine. It was understandable why Colliton double-shifted Kane on the 3rd line, which is why Quenneville didn't get much time. Yes, we have no one other than Toews for face-offs.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Watch the video below. Boqvist gets burned by McDavid as he enters the zone. Then Boqvist stops skating and floats around, puck-watching. Seriously, watch his head -- he never sees McDavid, because he's watching the puck the whole time. Puck-watching = cardinal sin in hockey, we all know this.

McDavid scores 19 seconds in | Edmonton Oilers

CHI@EDM, Gm2: McDavid cleans up bouncing puck

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How did McDavid gain such easy entry into the zone? Because Boqvist stepped up in the neutral zone when he shouldn't have, and completely failed to neutralize him (via check) when he did so. The whole play started because Boqvist played it horribly. You say he was "behind on the play." Again, that was Boqvist's fault, because he stepped up on McDavid in the neutral zone. A d-man needs to pick and choose when to step up and when not -- and if you're stepping up, you better be damn sure, otherwise you're either giving up an odd-man rush or a breakaway, which is essentially what happened (it was a 2-on-1 with Archibald) and why Keith had to cut off McDavid before he got to the chip -in.

If you want to blame Keith for trying to cover up for Boqvist, that's anyone's prerogative, but it's ill-advised if you ask me because Boqvist was way more responsible for that goal than Keith.

Anyways, I thought Quenneville was fine. It was understandable why Colliton double-shifted Kane on the 3rd line, which is why Quenneville didn't get much time. Yes, we have no one other than Toews for face-offs.

Keith and Boqvist have been on the ice for 8 of 10 goals scored by Edmonton, there is zero argument here, they both have been shitting the bed. Was it Keith’s fault, was it Adams fault, who friggin cares, this is the reality of the Hawks. There is a reason why they were 12th in the western conference. I know they won game one, and it was great to see, but as it has been for so long now, it’s all false hope. This is a bad hockey team, last night showed us that again, the proof was on the ice. No one can win a face off, the defence is atrocious, CC as good as he was for our Hawks is just not the same goalie he once was, no depth, no speed, special teams wasnt so special. This is not a good Oilers team, which makes it even worse, The Blues, Knights, Avs would decimate this Hawks team.

 

[anotheridiot]

Watch the video below. Boqvist gets burned by McDavid as he enters the zone. Then Boqvist stops skating and floats around, puck-watching. Seriously, watch his head -- he never sees McDavid, because he's watching the puck the whole time. Puck-watching = cardinal sin in hockey, we all know this.

McDavid scores 19 seconds in | Edmonton Oilers

CHI@EDM, Gm2: McDavid cleans up bouncing puck

www.nhl.com

How did McDavid gain such easy entry into the zone? Because Boqvist stepped up in the neutral zone when he shouldn't have, and completely failed to neutralize him (via check) when he did so. The whole play started because Boqvist played it horribly. You say he was "behind on the play." Again, that was Boqvist's fault, because he stepped up on McDavid in the neutral zone. A d-man needs to pick and choose when to step up and when not -- and if you're stepping up, you better be damn sure, otherwise you're either giving up an odd-man rush or a breakaway, which is essentially what happened (it was a 2-on-1 with Archibald) and why Keith had to cut off McDavid before he got to the chip -in.

If you want to blame Keith for trying to cover up for Boqvist, that's anyone's prerogative, but it's ill-advised if you ask me because Boqvist was way more responsible for that goal than Keith.

Anyways, I thought Quenneville was fine. It was understandable why Colliton double-shifted Kane on the 3rd line, which is why Quenneville didn't get much time. Yes, we have no one other than Toews for face-offs.

I thought you this was about the second goal when Keith jumped over while Bovquist was behind the play, then complaining that Bovquist could not cover the opposite side. Nobody was going to stop McJesus for that first goal.

Yes, you better be damn sure someone is in position to cover up your responsibility, same way a forward needs to cover the blue line if a d man pinches, but if you are going to blame Bovquist for not standing up McJesus, then why didnt Keith just simply check him? Its not that simple to stop that freight train.

 

[LordKOTL]

The biggest issue with Keith on that play was forcing the pass. That was shades of 2011 where he led the league in turnovers. Then he compounded it by trying to do too much.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Boqvist is good. The only thing I'm saying is that he's a 19 year old defenseman thrown in a top pairing situation--**** ups are going to happen.

Keith, on the other hand, has been severely burned multiple times by doing both of the things he did on the play before--trying to be the hero and of course the NHL 11 Pass-to-Nowhere™. This was literally a case of "You know better than that, what the everloving **** were you thinking!?!"...and that included the retaliatory slash later on.

They both failed, but the difference in my opinion is Boqvist is like a 3 year old sticking a fork in a live electric socket, and Keith was like a 33 year old electrician sticking a fork in a live electric socket.