OT: Buff Signs Extension

[icehogfan08]

5 years 26 Mil

 

[Jntg4]

Eh, oh well. Now Seabs has leverage though.

 

[derosabomb]

lol he hit the lottery. lollers.

 

[Captain Iago]

Quite possibly, but I wonder if he really does have the leverage that many people think.

 

[southern_cross_116]

If you look at it in the context of Hjammer's offer sheet from last year instead of just Buff's extension - then, it -well, I can't see it as being too good.

Maybe he goes for a longer term deal that can spread out the cap hit a little more effectively.

 

[Captain Iago]

What I was alluding to and mentioned/asked Tbo about on Twitter is that defensemen who have a cap hit of 6+ have all had a 50+ point season save one...and that one exception has had a couple of 40+ point seasons.

As much as Seabrook's agent would love to consider Byfuglien's extension as leverage, I don't see it. Defensive D-men don't see this kind of money.

He ought not be the first.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Right on Buff. I'm happy for him.

I really hope the Thrashers can keep progressing. They have an interesting core that is worth watching.

I absolutely don't see this having any bearing on what Seabrook eventually gets, assuming he re-signs here. If he ends up going elsewhere (a shittier team that could tag him as their franchise defenseman)... maybe, but I still doubt it. Seabrook and Byfuglien are two different d-men with very different reputations.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Great comment on the tsn article:

Best signing for the Canucks in a LONG time!

 

[southern_cross_116]

Right on Buff. I'm happy for him.

I really hope the Thrashers can keep progressing. They have an interesting core that is worth watching.

I absolutely don't see this having any bearing on what Seabrook eventually gets, assuming he re-signs here. If he ends up going elsewhere (a shittier team that could tag him as their franchise defenseman)... maybe, but I still doubt it. Seabrook and Byfuglien are two different d-men with very different reputations.

I see what both you guys were saying -but I was also meaning this with respect to him being a more potent version of Hjammer, and having as good of a year as Keith is this season - but I hope you are right - I did not see the SJ offering Hjammer that type of money last season coming -so that means that that sort of money seems to be there.

 

[AddisonStation]

Eh, oh well. Now Seabs has leverage though.

How does Seabrook have leverage?

Buff's numbers destroy Seabrook's.

 

[DMelt36]

Over $5 million/year for Buff?

Now you know how Campbell got $8 million/year.

NHL salaries seem like they've been sky rocketing the last few years.

 

[AddisonStation]

Over $5 million/year for Buff?

Now you know how Campbell got $8 million/year.

NHL salaries seem like they've been sky rocketing the last few years.

7.14 million actually but ya still too much.

Salaries have been rising because the cap has also been rising.

 

[DewsSox79]

1) he does have leverage

2) who would you rather have on your blue line? buff or seabs? if you say buff you are out of your mind.

 

[AddisonStation]

1) he does have leverage

2) who would you rather have on your blue line? buff or seabs? if you say buff you are out of your mind.

I don't really see how Seabrook has all that much leverage. For one he's a RFA.

And if we're comparing him to Buff he has even less.

 

[DMelt36]

Buff barely plays defense. The guy is a huge liability.

He is producing big offensive numbers. I'd rather have Campbell. Great offensive ability but still gives a damn in his own zone.

Oh, and I'll take Seabs over Buff too.

 

[AddisonStation]

Buff barely plays defense. The guy is a huge liability.

He is producing big offensive numbers. I'd rather have Campbell. Great offensive ability but still gives a damn in his own zone.

Oh, and I'll take Seabs over Buff too.

An even plus-minus is pretty good for a defensive liability and Seabs -3 this year doesn't look too strong in a contract year. Plus the bigger dollar contracts tend to go to offensive threats.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Some points:

The cap has not been rising -that- much.

And maybe I am missing something but it sure looks like Seabrook is leading scorer on the Hawks defense this season, and unless he goes down for the season is about to top his career best for scoring by a pretty wide margin. At the moment he is on a pace for 45 points.... yet you are talking like the guy is a defensive defenseman


However all of that is pretty irrelevant -as it comes down to value per team. On this team Seabrook is the number 2 defenseman, arguably the number 1 guy this season - or both the top guy are pretty even.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Now you know how Campbell got $8 million/year.

No, I still don't know how he managed that.

That is a true mystery for the ages.

 

[southern_cross_116]

No, I still don't know how he managed that.

That is a true mystery for the ages.

That - well that should be a measure of how desperate the Blackhawks were to get into the UFA market after having been snubbed for some years by pretty much all of the big names available in any given season.

The then GM at the time, had to have thought that was what he would have to do to get a deal done. And considering that Campbell (iirc) was one of the first guys to sign that particular offseason -where he was expected to be heavily pursued.

I don't think that it necessarily indicates that the then GM was stupid to have done it- considering the fact that the team had done jack shit for about a decade -I'm sure he felt that he had to do something (since it appeared his other "big splashes" fizzled on him ( Khabibulin and Aucoin).

Anyways, I did not meant to diminish Buff's deserving the money one bit; and I also wanted to point out that #4 did not rate the contract that he got- but he still got it -- so what you have there is a price range that one would think the leverage amount would be in. Considering that Seabrook's value is a lot more to the team than #4's based upon proven production at all facets of the defenseman game -it's my opinion that what Seabrook gets would be on the high end of that range (and if he is given an offersheet then all bets are off).

Also wanted to point out that Buff was going to be a pending RFA and not a UFA (edit- I guess that was not scheduled to happen until after next season) -exactly like Seabrook is coming up to the offseason. However Seabrook has proven consistency at a top role, and Buff- well, he hasn't -although I love the guy as a player (Buff), hated to lose him... and hope he does well in his career... most late round draftees like him really deserve it -as they've paid a lot of dues without a lot of thanks over a long enough time .... so this isn't about Buff vs Seabrook excepting when it comes to money.

-Also see Jack Johnson's contract extension for a further reference point. (Ok- well I managed to go entirely OT ... but I think JJ's extension is also a bargaining point.)

 

[AddisonStation]

Some points:

The cap has not been rising -that- much.

And maybe I am missing something but it sure looks like Seabrook is leading scorer on the Hawks defense this season, and unless he goes down for the season is about to top his career best for scoring by a pretty wide margin. At the moment he is on a pace for 45 points.... yet you are talking like the guy is a defensive defenseman


However all of that is pretty irrelevant -as it comes down to value per team. On this team Seabrook is the number 2 defenseman, arguably the number 1 guy this season - or both the top guy are pretty even.

Ok... I'd say just about any top line defenseman should have about that many points playing that many minutes on the hawks. Seabrook is nothing special offensively.