OT: Deng not happy in Cleveland

[cjswan232482]

Just because the Bulls isn't Cleveland doesn't mean the Bulls don't suck too. Being underappreciated in a cold city with high taxes sucks as well. Chicago is not worth the aggravation to a lot of players.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Who is under appreciated in a "cold city?"

And millionaires complaining about paying taxes need a reality check.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Read about Waiters and let's not forget how many people here thought trading Deng for him would be such a great idea. Also look at the lack of discipline and professionalism that a young Cleveland roster exhibits. That's a serious risk the people who advocate trading the entire roster for draft picks and then drafting a bunch of freshmen easily ignore. You have no idea what their maturity level is and how they will react to being on their own with lots of money and if they will be influenced by other bad actors. Regularly suspending chunks of the roster because they're selfish, babies or worse might set a team back for a decade just like Cleveland.

I'm not too worried about players buying into our culture here. They will fall in line behind Thibs, Rose, & Noah.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

I'm not too worried about players buying into our culture here. They will fall in line behind Thibs, Rose, & Noah.

A smart GM would never assume such a thing.

The Bulls don't have any knuckleheads in their locker room, and they should keep it that way.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

A smart GM would never assume such a thing.

The Bulls don't have any knuckleheads in their locker room, and they should keep it that way.

Jerry Krause traded for Dennis Rodman at one time.

Presently, our structure is stable enough to absorb a knucklehead or two.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Jerry Krause traded for Dennis Rodman at one time.

Presently, our structure is stable enough to absorb a knucklehead or two.

You can do that when you have a guy like MJ in the locker room who keeps everybody on track.

Not sure DRose is vocal enough for that ...

 

[JosMin]

You can do that when you have a guy like MJ in the locker room who keeps everybody on track.

Not sure DRose is vocal enough for that ...

He's only vocal enough to remind the media and fans that he doesn't want to recruit anyone

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

You can do that when you have a guy like MJ in the locker room who keeps everybody on track.

Not sure DRose is vocal enough for that ...

A combination of Rose, Noah, & coach Thibs is more than enough to handle a knucklehead on the team.

 

[Crystallas]

Jerry Krause traded for Dennis Rodman at one time.

Presently, our structure is stable enough to absorb a knucklehead or two.

The Rodman argument is used every time someone wants to bring in a headcase player. But I don't think all headcases are the same. Dennis came to play. He got his rebounds, he was a top 3 defensive player for his post-rookie career. Not like some guys who phone in games, decide they are just going to heat check and ignore plays that are called and do whatever the hell they want when they aren't happy. Dennis had anger issues not work issues. So as long as the argument is consistent, and doesn't treat all 'knuckleheads' like Rodman, that's cool. JR Smith and Rodman for instance is a VERY bad comparison of two headcases. But DeMarcus Cousins and Rodman is a bit closer. See what I'm saying?

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

The Rodman argument is used every time someone wants to bring in a headcase player. But I don't think all headcases are the same. Dennis came to play. He got his rebounds, he was a top 3 defensive player for his post-rookie career. Not like some guys who phone in games, decide they are just going to heat check and ignore plays that are called and do whatever the hell they want when they aren't happy. Dennis had anger issues not work issues. So as long as the argument is consistent, and doesn't treat all 'knuckleheads' like Rodman, that's cool. JR Smith and Rodman for instance is a VERY bad comparison of two headcases. But DeMarcus Cousins and Rodman is a bit closer. See what I'm saying?

Very fair points & just to be clear, I wasn't implying that.

My point centered around my view that Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, & Coach Thibs can handle Dion Waiters or any player like him. I don't understand why some fans are afraid to add questionable players to our roster. These are not the Baby Bulls.

 

[Crystallas]

Do you think given a different scenario, Noah would be a "knucklehead" if he was stuck on the Bobcats or Cavs? I think about this from time to time, given the way Jo expresses himself. I could see Noah in a lot of coaches doghouses. Also, we have another guy that was in the doghouse as well for being a knucklehead of sorts, his name is DJ Augustine. But we don't notice it here, because we do have that culture developed a lot more. We have tried harder to build through the draft than through FA. Boozer is also one of those guys that has issues in the past, albeit not Dwight type of issues, but still. Dwight is a bad example, because he went to a team with a strong culture and handled it poorly until he finally got his way(it's only been part of a season in Hou, so who knows)

Nate, also a knucklehead. No problem as a Bull, because we have the culture. We have and had "knucleheads". It's not the matter of handling a knucklehead, it's the matter of having the right player.

 

[Crystallas]

Very fair points & just to be clear, I wasn't implying that.

My point centered around my view that Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, & Coach Thibs can handle Dion Waiters or any player like him. I don't understand why some fans are afraid to add questionable players to our roster. These are not the Baby Bulls.

I think Waiters issue is that he doesn't like Kyrie, and the Cavs put Kyrie on a pedestal and play obvious favorites with him when it comes to sorting through organizational problems. Whether that stems from certain trauma the team faced by losing LeBron and subconsciously believing they didn't accommodate him enough? I don't know.
I would love to give Waiters a shot in Chicago and I think he would fit in. I also don't see him as a knucklehead. I see Waiters side of the story better than the others, although I don't agree with him handling the situation the way he has.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Jerry Krause traded for Dennis Rodman at one time.

Presently, our structure is stable enough to absorb a knucklehead or two.

1) Rodman came here to get a ring with Michael and Scottie.

2) Rodman respected Michael as much or more than anyone else he ever played with.

3) That team was comprised of professional, veteran players.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Do you think given a different scenario, Noah would be a "knucklehead" if he was stuck on the Bobcats or Cavs? I think about this from time to time, given the way Jo expresses himself. I could see Noah in a lot of coaches doghouses. Also, we have another guy that was in the doghouse as well for being a knucklehead of sorts, his name is DJ Augustine. But we don't notice it here, because we do have that culture developed a lot more. We have tried harder to build through the draft than through FA. Boozer is also one of those guys that has issues in the past, albeit not Dwight type of issues, but still. Dwight is a bad example, because he went to a team with a strong culture and handled it poorly until he finally got his way(it's only been part of a season in Hou, so who knows)

Nate, also a knucklehead. No problem as a Bull, because we have the culture. We have and had "knucleheads". It's not the matter of handling a knucklehead, it's the matter of having the right player.

I believe we're on the same wavelength with this.

I feel that Noah is a free spirit, but his competitiveness masks it. I think that too much losing (your examples of Cavs & Bobcats) would not have been a good combination with a player like Noah. He would have potentially been labeled a "knucklehead" until the right coach came & recognized that his issues were all about being a competitor.

The Boozer, DJ, & Nate examples are good illustrations of why I feel we're positioned well to handle Dion Waiters or players like him.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I think Waiters issue is that he doesn't like Kyrie, and the Cavs put Kyrie on a pedestal and play obvious favorites with him when it comes to sorting through organizational problems. Whether that stems from certain trauma the team faced by losing LeBron and subconsciously believing they didn't accommodate him enough? I don't know.
I would love to give Waiters a shot in Chicago and I think he would fit in. I also don't see him as a knucklehead. I see Waiters side of the story better than the others, although I don't agree with him handling the situation the way he has.

Agreed.

Damn good point regarding the underlined.

 

[The Hawk]

Do you think given a different scenario, Noah would be a "knucklehead" if he was stuck on the Bobcats or Cavs? I think about this from time to time, given the way Jo expresses himself. I could see Noah in a lot of coaches doghouses. Also, we have another guy that was in the doghouse as well for being a knucklehead of sorts, his name is DJ Augustine. But we don't notice it here, because we do have that culture developed a lot more. We have tried harder to build through the draft than through FA. Boozer is also one of those guys that has issues in the past, albeit not Dwight type of issues, but still. Dwight is a bad example, because he went to a team with a strong culture and handled it poorly until he finally got his way(it's only been part of a season in Hou, so who knows)

Nate, also a knucklehead. No problem as a Bull, because we have the culture. We have and had "knucleheads". It's not the matter of handling a knucklehead, it's the matter of having the right player.

Nice analysis. Right on the mark.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

The Bulls should go ahead and bring Stephenson in and pay him all that money.

If Bulls fans are still so gullible, that's all they deserve anyway.

 

[Shepard]

The Bulls should go ahead and bring Stephenson in and pay him all that money.

If Bulls fans are still so gullible, that's all they deserve anyway.

So you consider yourself a part from Bulls fans? You should go post with whatever fan base you associate yourself with.