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The deal would ofcourse keep the coyotes in Glendale
 

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Lieberman frustrated over budget, Coyotes, casino - Glendalestar.com: News

He continues to make statements that are fairly clear and understandable: “The idea of giving $20 million to the new owner of the Coyotes I will never agree to. As far as I’m concerned, the Coyotes effort is over.


“I don’t want the Coyotes sold,” Lieberman said. “I want them to go bye-bye. With 40 events (to replace Coyotes games), with the sales tax and $4 surcharge, we can make that a successful venture. I think we can do it.”


What terrible conditions to run a hockey team under...
 

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Yes, Reinsdorf was once a potential buyer. Once he got the details/negotiations of the purchase he backed out. You know damn well he wouldn't get involved in any business venture if it's not going to make him money.
 

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LOL, didn't Reinsdorf wanna buy them?
Yeah, but the ownership group he put together to finance the deal fell through.

Also, I don't think the league would've approved the sale, unless he sold his share of the United Center. They might have seen that as a conflict of interest.
 
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Somehow I don't think there would be too big of an uproar if they were to leave. Tbo would probably be a better gauge of this, but hockey never seemed to catch on there, which isn't that surprising. My dad laughed when he first heard that a team was relocating to Arizona.
 

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Somehow I don't think there would be too big of an uproar if they were to leave. Tbo would probably be a better gauge of this, but hockey never seemed to catch on there, which isn't that surprising. My dad laughed when he first heard that a team was relocating to Arizona.
It was based on the premise that a lot of people were moving from New York, Boston, Chicago, etc. to Arizona and would want a hockey team. Problem with that is they tend to remain loyal to their hometown teams.

Personally, I've never understood why the NHL thought having hockey teams in warm weather cities like Phoenix or Miami would be a good idea.
 
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Somehow I don't think there would be too big of an uproar if they were to leave. Tbo would probably be a better gauge of this, but hockey never seemed to catch on there, which isn't that surprising. My dad laughed when he first heard that a team was relocating to Arizona.

youth hockey is actually rather successful here ( I was in the AZ youth hockey system from ages 7-15)

as for the coyotes, their problem is media coverage and attendance

media coverage, for alot of years, the coyotes only played on the local WB station, and once they moved to FSN, they lost alot of customers. FSN is not in the standard cable package, you have to buy a $15 per month sports package, which really is worthless outside of FSN....shit, I go to school in Tucson, AZ and only 6 of our football team's games were on local tv, and those were on FSN, not basic TV.

2nd: Attendance only increases during playoffs. If you go to a standard Phoenix-Dallas game in AZ during the middle of the season, you can sit lower bowl for under $80 and within 5 rows of the ice for under $100...this is for a division rivalry!!!!

also, they have an asinine amount of parking (which is good), but it is absolutely free....honestly they should be charging for parking, that is an insane amount of revenue.

Location is another thing. Glendale isn't really metro phoenix.

I grew up and went to high school literally down the street from jobing.com arena. It is a smooth 30-45 minute drive via freeway from downtown phoenix and is really in the middle of nowhere. The richest parts of town (Scottsdale) where the Coyotes should be marketing is an easy 1-1.5 hour trip to the stadium. Also don't forget that Arizona has a huge % of its population in Tucson (2.5 hours away) and Flagstaff/Sedona (3-4 hours away)...Flag and Sedona is also a big money pit they can't market due to the stadium being too far away.


The final problem is that Arizona is a retirement community for snowbirds. the only, and I mean ONLY time a regular season game is sold out is for the Blackhawks and Red Wings...thats it. That's because their fans all retired here.
 

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Yeah, but the ownership group he put together to finance the deal fell through.

Also, I don't think the league would've approved the sale, unless he sold his share of the United Center. They might have seen that as a conflict of interest.

Jerry wanted an 'out' clause. No dice.
 

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It was based on the premise that a lot of people were moving from New York, Boston, Chicago, etc. to Arizona and would want a hockey team. Problem with that is they tend to remain loyal to their hometown teams.

Personally, I've never understood why the NHL thought having hockey teams in warm weather cities like Phoenix or Miami would be a good idea.

I understand the sentiment and the opportunity for expansion and growth in the U.S. market, but I think you're absolutely right. The people that have moved from NY, CHI, BOS, DET, etc. are going to stay loyal to their hometown teams and, like tbo said, will only go from time to time as a casual outing or when their hometown team is playing. The opportunity to grow a large and loyal fanbase is an extremely difficult task in a warm weather climate.
 

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It was based on the premise that a lot of people were moving from New York, Boston, Chicago, etc. to Arizona and would want a hockey team. Problem with that is they tend to remain loyal to their hometown teams.

Personally, I've never understood why the NHL thought having hockey teams in warm weather cities like Phoenix or Miami would be a good idea.


I love it, that is exactly the same sales pitch that Paul Newman put out there in Slapshot to start a bogus rumor that the Chiefs were moving to FLA ... a lot of Canadians moving to Florida ... blah blah blah (as told to Dickie Dunne or was it Dunn).

Life imitating art (or maybe as unoriginal of a reason as possible -- boy I hate this dumbed down age ... where what's old is now supposed to be some faceless guy's incredibly brilliant rationale). . . ok, whose wearing the bathrobe in the McD's BlackHawk fashion show- and will he do the same stunt?

:lmao:

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On another note- hell, let them move to Kansas City- those fools in that town are crawling around begging for a team - it won't succeed there, either, but it would at least validate every comment I ever made to that effect.

Or of course contraction would work for me... too many less than average players in the league already ... I mean seriously- at what point was ever having a 20 or 30 goal season ever considered to be anything other than a big yawn??? Figure out what that point was - and there you have what screwed up the NHL. (Otoh -I wouldn't give back the Stanley Cup --so ok, I am being a bit hypocritical in that sense :D ).
 

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Yes, Reinsdorf was once a potential buyer. Once he got the details/negotiations of the purchase he backed out. You know damn well he wouldn't get involved in any business venture if it's not going to make him money.

you know it.

and the sox are different he can lose or break even....its just his hobby. must be nice.
 

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