OT: Jose Fernandez may be out for year

[brett05]

Throwing and pitching are two different things, even when discussing a pitcher. Different effort and different mechanics. One keeps the shoulder/elbow stretched and in shape. The other is max effort 100% of the time.

We don't disagree. Where you have gotten confused on my comments is that pitching/throwing are interchangeable words for a pitcher unless specifically saying otherwise.

 

[Parade_Rain]

OK. Since there isn't a concensus anywhere on cause or solutions, it may just be a good idea to have a megathread when articles pop up that may provide some insight. Here's one about Greinke amongst others that may be of interest to others here. So we have Randy Wolf who has had not one, but two TJ surgeries and then Greinke who has attacked the issue a bit differently...

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-za...-approach-to-protect-his-elbow-050003006.html

How Zack Greinke changed his approach to protect his elbow
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In the clubhouse across the way, Zack Greinke has pitched past 2,000 innings. His pitching arm bears no scars. He, too, stands fairly firmly against regrets. Several years ago, when it was still his best pitch, Greinke simply stopped throwing his slider so much. He'd leaned heavily on the slider, even won a Cy Young Award riding it and his fastball, and then he'd go to bed with his elbow feeling somewhat "different," he said, or wake up the next morning that way, and one day decided this wasn't the best way to a long and successful career.
...

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Heard a Jack Morris interview the other day. He said his theory is that starting pitchers these days only plan to pitch 6 innings and throw as hard as they can every pitch because of that. He also said that pitchers try harder for the strike out and don't like to rely on their defense as much.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Hmmm. That's an interesting theory, ShawnoMeter. Would you happen to have a link to the interview on MLB or YT? I'd like to take a listen.

 

[chibears55]

Heard a Jack Morris interview the other day. He said his theory is that starting pitchers these days only plan to pitch 6 innings and throw as hard as they can every pitch because of that. He also said that pitchers try harder for the strike out and don't like to rely on their defense as much.

Ive heard yhe 6 innings part brought up before, especially in the NL
Reason I heard wad because of all the bullpen specialist.
Teams have that 7th inning guy, LH specialist, then the set up guy in 8th, then the closer..

what the QS 6IP or 7 ?

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[brett05]

Qs=6ip & 3- RUNS

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[beckdawg]

Ive heard yhe 6 innings part brought up before, especially in the NL
Reason I heard wad because of all the bullpen specialist.
Teams have that 7th inning guy, LH specialist, then the set up guy in 8th, then the closer..

what the QS 6IP or 7 ?

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Pretty sure this was the reasoning behind Nolan Ryan changing the way the rangers farm system worked. I'm not that convinced by it though.

 

[chibears55]

Well now the Rays are beating the Red Sox 7-0

I think it has a lot to do with the weight training..

Back then it was more about stretching, being loose..
Now both hitters n pitchers are muscling up with weights, etc. and their arms, legs, etc are tight and not stretched snd flexible.

Besides arm injuries, you have more hamstring, and abdominal strains, fatigue...

Depending your age, think back to 70,80, into the 90s..
You hardly ever seen guys go on DL for hamstrings, groins, or ABs strains, and arm fatigue/dead arm

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