OT: PFF loses ALL credibility

[fatkid73]

Aaron Rodgers 5 TD, 0 INT, 333, -0.8 PFF grade

Nick Foles: 0 TD, 1 INT, 197 YDS, +0.8 PFF grade

Ryan Mallett: 1 TD, 1 INT, 228 YDS, +1.1 PFF grade

What a joke.

 

[bearmick]

This happens all the time. It had several QBs on week 1 of the 2013 season rated higher than Peyton Manning's 7 TD performance, including Cutler against the Bengals I believe. It weighs things lop-sided based on the point in the game in which they happened. Everyone realizes it that it can't be taken seriously in terms of measuring player performances against each other.

 

[Pegger]

PFF is what happens when people who never played the game try to take a complex, team focused game and turn it into binary code.

When it comes to QB's the old QB Rating system is the best. It's far from perfect, but your average football fan at least knows of it's limitations whereas all these new metrics need an instruction manual to understand what the number means.

Essentially QB Rating is the devil that you know as opposed to being the devil you don't.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yeah, welcome to years ago.

 

[FirstTimer]

This happens all the time. It had several QBs on week 1 of the 2013 season rated higher than Peyton Manning's 7 TD performance, including Cutler against the Bengals I believe. It weighs things lop-sided based on the point in the game in which they happened. Everyone realizes it that it can't be taken seriously in terms of measuring player performances against each other.

Yeah, this was classic. Manning has an NFL record setting performance and the intelligentsia at PFF rating system somehow graded him out worse than Cutler's 21-33 242 yard 2 TD and 1 INT day. Good system they have there.

Shit like PFF and ESPN's QBR are a fucking joke.

 

[airtime143]

This happens all the time. It had several QBs on week 1 of the 2013 season rated higher than Peyton Manning's 7 TD performance, including Cutler against the Bengals I believe. It weighs things lop-sided based on the point in the game in which they happened. Everyone realizes it that it can't be taken seriously in terms of measuring player performances against each other.

QBR also shit all over Mannings 7 td game.

Like pegger said, passer rating is king. Not perfect, but over the long haul it sure does tend to put people in a logical order.

 

[ZenBear34]

PFF is what happens when people who never played the game try to take a complex, team focused game and turn it into binary code.

When it comes to QB's the old QB Rating system is the best. It's far from perfect, but your average football fan at least knows of it's limitations whereas all these new metrics need an instruction manual to understand what the number means.

Essentially QB Rating is the devil that you know as opposed to being the devil you don't.

The question is, why do so many major media outlets cite them as though they are the definitive tool in player evaluation? It's such a bogus, self perpetuating way of looking at football with so many obvious flaws I don't understand why they are held in such high regard.

 

[airtime143]

The question is, why do so many major media outlets cite them as though they are the definitive tool in player evaluation? It's such a bogus, self perpetuating way of looking at football with so many obvious flaws I don't understand why they are held in such high regard.

If you are referring to traditional passer rating, it is a pretty damn fantastic metric over a season- look at the top 10 in passer rating every year and I promise you it absolutely coincides with the best performers.

 

[bearmick]

Oh, and if you want another thing against PFF - Phil Emery admitted to using it as part of player evaluation.

That should really /thread.

 

[hyatt151]

Yeah, this was classic. Manning has an NFL record setting performance and the intelligentsia at PFF rating system somehow graded him out better than Cutler's 21-33 242 yard 2 TD and 1 INT day. Good system they have there.

Shit like PFF and ESPN's QBR are a fucking joke.

Assume you mean, not better??

 

[hyatt151]

Oh, and if you want another thing against PFF - Phil Emery admitted to using it as part of player evaluation.

That should really /thread.

And he never slept!!!!!!!!

 

[FirstTimer]

Assume you mean, not better??

Yeah..my bad.

 

[FirstTimer]

If you are referring to traditional passer rating, it is a pretty damn fantastic metric over a season- look at the top 10 in passer rating every year and I promise you it absolutely coincides with the best performers.

I actually did a quick study on this here...

1 sec. I'll try and find the posts.

 

[Bearly]

What credibility?

 

[ZenBear34]

If you are referring to traditional passer rating, it is a pretty damn fantastic metric over a season- look at the top 10 in passer rating every year and I promise you it absolutely coincides with the best performers.

I was pretty clearly not referring to passer rating.

 

[Bort]

Aaron Rodgers 5 TD, 0 INT, 333, -0.8 PFF grade

Nick Foles: 0 TD, 1 INT, 197 YDS, +0.8 PFF grade

Ryan Mallett: 1 TD, 1 INT, 228 YDS, +1.1 PFF grade

What a joke.

PFF never had any credibility to begin with (for me at least). They're willing to hire any idiot willing to work for basically free.

 

[hyatt151]

yeah..my bad.

no worries!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DaaBears]

May as well close the thread, we all agree for the first time ever.

 

[FirstTimer]

If you are referring to traditional passer rating, it is a pretty damn fantastic metric over a season- look at the top 10 in passer rating every year and I promise you it absolutely coincides with the best performers.

I actually did a quick study on this here...

1 sec. I'll try and find the posts.

Found them:

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/...tler’s-decision-making-Are-big-changes-coming

Start at post #163

The current top 5 QB's in passer rating have a 24-9 record.

Last year the top 5 had a combined record of 38-17

In 2012: 57-22

2011: 58-21

2010: 50-20

2009: 58-20

2008: 48-32

2007: 61-14

2006: 38-22

2005: 49-19

TRENDS!

The last 10 years to date the Top 5 passers in the NFL have a combined record of:

481-196 (.710 Win %)

Only ONE QB in the last 10 years to date has finished in the Top 5 in passer rating with a losing record. That was Marc Bulger in 2005(2-6).

So please Willis, continue with this idea that passer rating isn't a good indicator of good QB play or team success.

From 1990 until the current date only 8 qualified QB's(6.4%) have finished in the Top 5 in passer rating and had a losing a losing record.

Kosar (1991)
Chris Miller (1992)
Chris Chandler(1994)
Jeff George (1997)
Trent Green (2000)
Jeff Garcia (2000)
Steve McNair (2001)
Marc Bulger (2005)

Of those above 8 only Kosar, George, McNair, and Garcia started more than 8 games.

So of qualified QB's to start more than half the season over the last 25 seasons of NFL football only 3.2% of them have finished in the top 5 of passer rating and had a losing record. So please continue to tell us that a QB with a really great passer rating isn't connected to winning.

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/...anges-coming?p=1610521&viewfull=1#post1610521

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Kind of just proves how un-clutch Rodgers is. Did you know he threw an interception on a 4th and 2 once?