OT: PFF loses ALL credibility

[Warrior Spirit]

How would someone that doesn't know what the receiver was supposed to do, figure out that he ran the wrong route? How does the rater figure out that he obviously ran the wrong route? Its subjective and its subject to interpretation through every step that you have identified. The same holds true in blocking assignments.
All I can see the somewhat value of PFF is as one grading used in contract negotiations.

But I still cannot fathom a bunch of stiffs rating pro football player performance on the field. Referees in football do not have to judge player performance. ALl they need to do is to know the rules of what is or isn't a penalty. ANd they are tested on that knowledge. Different story on the raters of PFF.

I think assignments are more recognizable than you think and, again, if their was a question about it they'd simply not grade that 1 play. And, again, each play is reviewed by several analysts and then verified by the NFL Coach Network which has a wealth of football experience and knowledge. Having known and recognizable standards and many reviewing the plays leads to a uniform fair and balanced grading system. While many fans may not like it, I keep pointing out how it is used throughout the NFL and now college, so much so, that they will now become their exclusive clients. That should tell you they are valued by people in football who can obviously understand it all more than fans. What fans say doesn't really matter. They are, for the most part, just meatballs who obviously are not looking at every play through an "all 22" perspective and would still be incredibly biased if they could.

 

[Packer Fan]

I'm going to grade Vick and Flacco tonight.

 

[The Hawk]

I think assignments are more recognizable than you think and, again, if their was a question about it they'd simply not grade that 1 play. And, again, each play is reviewed by several analysts and then verified by the NFL Coach Network which has a wealth of football experience and knowledge. Having known and recognizable standards and many reviewing the plays leads to a uniform fair and balanced grading system. While many fans may not like it, I keep pointing out how it is used throughout the NFL and now college, so much so, that they will now become their exclusive clients. That should tell you they are valued by people in football who can obviously understand it all more than fans. What fans say doesn't really matter. They are, for the most part, just meatballs who obviously are not looking at every play through an "all 22" perspective and would still be incredibly biased if they could.

I do not believe that these raters are anything more than fans themselves or worse, not even fans but some clods asked to take a look at players and positions that they do not know shit about. IN other words, I see these "raters" as the meatballs in this. Teams have forward scouts who look at the opponent that the team will play the next week. This is how they get their assessment of the team that they are going to face. Not some rating by a bunch of no nothing limeys sitting in London diddling themselves.

Sure PFF is getting play. that is because they probably bribed some NFL teams to use their "metrics" which is basically snake-oil shit.

 

[The Hawk]

Jordan Mills was the highest rated Bear on offense a week or two before he was cut.

Yep. That was one item that really did it for me. That and after Long had an awesome day last year, they rated him behind Garza on it silly "metric".

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Jordan Mills was the highest rated Bear on offense a week or two before he was cut.

Yep. That was one item that really did it for me. That and after Long had an awesome day last year, they rated him behind Garza on it silly "metric".

Haha. Do you guys know when Mills was cut? If you're just talking about preseason, you'd see a lot of backup players do well cause the intensity is not there and they're playing other backup players. Mills had a negative rating for the preseason any and definitely was not the highest rated Bear on offense by any stretch of the imagination. For the 2014 season, he was the 2nd lowest rated player on the Bears.

 

[ClydeLee]

I do not believe that these raters are anything more than fans themselves or worse, not even fans but some clods asked to take a look at players and positions that they do not know shit about. IN other words, I see these "raters" as the meatballs in this. Teams have forward scouts who look at the opponent that the team will play the next week. This is how they get their assessment of the team that they are going to face. Not some rating by a bunch of no nothing limeys sitting in London diddling themselves.

Sure PFF is getting play. that is because they probably bribed some NFL teams to use their "metrics" which is basically snake-oil shit.

What? How is it worse they don't know about them? If they had an emotional attachment they would be more likely meatballs and be emotionally entirely biased based grading on choices of their fandom.

 

[JesusHalasChrist]

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/652909447166193666

According to PFF, Shea is tied with CJ Mosley and Brian Cushing for the 11th best linebacker in the NFL. :rofl:

 

[Sculpt]

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/652909447166193666

According to PFF, Shea is tied with CJ Mosley and Brian Cushing for the 11th best linebacker in the NFL. :rofl:

Brian Cushing is still alive?

 

[ursamajor]

And he never slept!!!!!!!!

Sleep deprivation is crucial, in order to make sense out of the nonsense that PFF puts out.

 

[remydat]

Just a couple of questions after reading this thread.

1. Can someone tell me how normal passer rating takes into account pre snap reads? Like when Rodgers causes a team to go offside, how does passer rating go up? Or if he makes a pre snap read that causes a WR to get open and delivers a perfect pass that the WR drops then why does passer rating count that as a negative play for him. Better yet when he does everything perfectly but then the WR bobbles the ball and it goes for a pick 6, why does passer rating blame him? The point is none of the stats take into account the intangibles or pre snap reads.

2. If a scout watches a game and sees a QB throw 4 balls that went through a defenders hand, do you think he ignores that fact simply because the defender sucks at catching the ball or do you think he would grade the QB negatively for throwing what should have been an obvious pick? Pretty sure a scout that simply ignores all the bad passes simply because they did not end in picks doesn't last long. Or when Cutler sits in the pocket and takes a sack when he could have thrown to an outlet or thrown it away? why does passer rating reward him for being an idiot relative to the guy who correctly throws it away and thus is given an incompletion which drops his passer rating?

 

[Sculpt]

Just a couple of questions after reading this thread.

1. Can someone tell me how normal passer rating takes into account pre snap reads? Like when Rodgers causes a team to go offside, how does passer rating go up? Or if he makes a pre snap read that causes a WR to get open and delivers a perfect pass that the WR drops then why does passer rating count that as a negative play for him. Better yet when he does everything perfectly but then the WR bobbles the ball and it goes for a pick 6, why does passer rating blame him? The point is none of the stats take into account the intangibles or pre snap reads.

2. If a scout watches a game and sees a QB throw 4 balls that went through a defenders hand, do you think he ignores that fact simply because the defender sucks at catching the ball or do you think he would grade the QB negatively for throwing what should have been an obvious pick? Pretty sure a scout that simply ignores all the bad passes simply because they did not end in picks doesn't last long. Or when Cutler sits in the pocket and takes a sack when he could have thrown to an outlet or thrown it away? why does passer rating reward him for being an idiot relative to the guy who correctly throws it away and thus is given an incompletion which drops his passer rating?

Your what hurts?!

 

[Bearly]

Just a couple of questions after reading this thread.

1. Can someone tell me how normal passer rating takes into account pre snap reads? Like when Rodgers causes a team to go offside, how does passer rating go up? Or if he makes a pre snap read that causes a WR to get open and delivers a perfect pass that the WR drops then why does passer rating count that as a negative play for him. Better yet when he does everything perfectly but then the WR bobbles the ball and it goes for a pick 6, why does passer rating blame him? The point is none of the stats take into account the intangibles or pre snap reads.

2. If a scout watches a game and sees a QB throw 4 balls that went through a defenders hand, do you think he ignores that fact simply because the defender sucks at catching the ball or do you think he would grade the QB negatively for throwing what should have been an obvious pick? Pretty sure a scout that simply ignores all the bad passes simply because they did not end in picks doesn't last long. Or when Cutler sits in the pocket and takes a sack when he could have thrown to an outlet or thrown it away? why does passer rating reward him for being an idiot relative to the guy who correctly throws it away and thus is given an incompletion which drops his passer rating?

Because passer rating is cumulative over a year and all those things even out or make a QB more effective. If you get guys to jump, you slow the rush and your rating will improve due to it. If Jay takes that sack, it reduces his passing yards and makes the next pass harder and more likely to get picked etc. Yes, game managers can benefit more than risk takers but it's not a drastic. It's not perfect but all you need to do is look at the ratings at the end of the year and know it's better than anything else. I don't think a few points matter as that's where your points come into play but beyond that it works pretty well. The alternative is to have no universal metric which would be OK I guess. If I look at play, it looks like Romo and Rodgers were having the best years. That Roth, Manning, Brady, Brees and Luck are elite. Guess how they're ranked.

 

[remydat]

Because passer rating is cumulative over a year and all those things even out or make a QB more effective. If you get guys to jump, you slow the rush and your rating will improve due to it. If Jay takes that sack, it reduces his passing yards and makes the next pass harder and more likely to get picked etc. Yes, game managers can benefit more than risk takers but it's not a drastic. It's not perfect but all you need to do is look at the ratings at the end of the year and know it's better than anything else. I don't think a few points matter as that's where your points come into play but beyond that it works pretty well. The alternative is to have no universal metric which would be OK I guess. If I look at play, it looks like Romo and Rodgers were having the best years. That Roth, Manning, Brady, Brees and Luck are elite. Guess how they're ranked.

PFF grades are cumulative as well which is why guys like Manning and Rodgers end up at the top of the rankings just as they do with passer rating. Are you aware of a year where those guys didn't have the best ratings over the course of a year?