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I didn't click on the link, but if that is the Torres signing, it isn't a bad deal for the Sharks. He came pretty cheap and he makes players keep their heads up come playoff time. Hell, he was entirely worth it for the Coyotes. After the Hossa hit, the Hawks were done.
Yah yah, all Hawks fans should scream bloody murder at the guy because he cheap shotted Hossa. *shrug* Torres isn't even close to the top of the list of cheap shot artists in the last 15 years. I haven't really seen anyone call out Bertuzzi since he has been a Red Wing, and he is the biggest criminal of them all. Anyways, the Sharks are not a joke for re-signing Torres, IMO.
Yah yah, all Hawks fans should scream bloody murder at the guy because he cheap shotted Hossa. *shrug* Torres isn't even close to the top of the list of cheap shot artists in the last 15 years. I haven't really seen anyone call out Bertuzzi since he has been a Red Wing, and he is the biggest criminal of them all. Anyways, the Sharks are not a joke for re-signing Torres, IMO.
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If signing a player that will almost certainly bring a hefty suspension at some point in each of the next three seasons is a good signing, okay. I would actually have to figure that at some point he will be permanently banned over then next few seasons. I would equate signing that sort of player to be a dumb signing. He has never learned, and never will.
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Seeing as how he had only 17 minutes of penalties in 39 games this year and his playoff hit looked absolutely clean to me, I have no problem saying he might have learned his lesson. Cooke, on the Penguins, has been a model citizen for quite some time now and he had a worse reputation. Besides, the Sharks saw him in practice and games all year long... I'm sure their opinion on the matter is solid.
Is it a risk? Sure, but it is a fair deal and as I said, there are plenty of bigger cheap shot artists out there. It has worked out with the Red Wings and Bertuzzi, although he is getting towards the end of his career now. Regardless, you could take all of Torres' hits combined and it wouldn't be half as bad as when Bertuzzi brok that guy's neck and paralyzed him for life.
To call the Sharks a joke because of this signing is a bit silly. Boo hoo, he rocked Hossa. He certainly was worth every penny to the Coyotes that year, as they made it past the Hawks and to the WCF that year.
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He played nice during the regular season, and then reverted to form in the playoffs. Some of these guys just cannot help themselves. He has done it before, and you can damn well bet that he will do it again.
Oh, and if you can watch the replay of the hit on Stoll and honestly say that it is a good, clean hit...well, I just don't know what to say. He targeted the head with his shoulder and drove through on the hit. In both cases of Stoll and Hossa, he could have made a clean hit to dislodge the puck, and in both cases chose to blow the guy up instead. Guys like that are the main reason why I think that the teams need to have some sort of penalty applied to them when repeat offenders continue to strike.
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You already got your wish... He was suspended the rest of that series entirely because he is a repeat offender. It was a good, clean hockey hit.
And if he is so reckless and will always revert back to goon form, what else did he do during the playoffs that was dirty? If your sole reasoning is based entirely off that one hit, then I'd say it is a weak argument. That was a legal hit that drew a suspension because of injury and past reputation. Overall, I'd say Torres had a very clean year and the Sharks evidently agree.
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Since when did shoulder shots to the head become legal hits?
And no, there is no consequence to the team to lose a thug like Torres when he takes out someone of much greater skill on the opposing team. Financial penalties, or something else of that sort would be a detriment to keeping goons around.
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Ok, so you didn't see any other dirty play from Torres this year and are calling the Sharks a joke for signing him because of one clean hit in the playoffs that earned a suspension based entirely off reputation.
I got it now.
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I'm not sure why you guys even care. Here's something I think you can both agree on.....
Torres is a complete asshole.
Torres is a complete asshole.
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I care because I love the sport of hockey and follow every single team.
And sure, Torres is an asshat.
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Again, when did shoulder shots to the head become clean hits? Please answer the question.
A clean body check would have done the job of dislodging the puck on both Hossa and Stoll. Torres doesn't have that in him though. He wasn't given the chance to lay another dirty hit on someone due to the fact that he was suspended for the rest of the series, and the Sharks did not move on. Can you honestly say that if the Sharks would have moved on to the WCF, that he would not have taken a run at one of the Hawks at some point in the series?
On a side note, I honestly feared that Shaw was heading down the same path, but has been much better this post-season.
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That he is.
I care because guys like Torres are a constant threat to end the career of the talented players that make this league so great. Thank God that Hossa was able to continue his career, but there was an equally good chance that he could have never played another game after that hit last year. Then you see another cheap shot by the same offender again. If the league truly wanted to get rid of head shots, they would start making the punishments more severe, both to the player and the team that they play for.
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Doesn't look dirty to me. It looks like Stoll has his head down, Torres makes shoulder to shoulder contact and Stoll's head whiplashes back because his head was down in the first place.
And how do you know Torres doesn't have clean hits in him? He was clean all year long. 17 PIM in 39 games sounds pretty clean to me. Was he suspended in the Shark's first round series vs the Canucks? No, he wasn't. Your bias is showing and besides, you got what you wanted when you said that the NHL should suspend people based off of reputation. That is EXACTLY what happened to Torres this year.
[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ei5UkHL0oNM[/video]
And how do you know Torres doesn't have clean hits in him? He was clean all year long. 17 PIM in 39 games sounds pretty clean to me. Was he suspended in the Shark's first round series vs the Canucks? No, he wasn't. Your bias is showing and besides, you got what you wanted when you said that the NHL should suspend people based off of reputation. That is EXACTLY what happened to Torres this year.
[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ei5UkHL0oNM[/video]
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The great thing is, without that hit, Torres has a clean record in the NHL.
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Not sure I follow..... That particular hit was clean, but he has numerous other hits that were dirty.
Unless that went over my head and you were being completely sarcastic
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Not sure I follow..... That particular hit was clean, but he has numerous other hits that were dirty.
Unless that went over my head and you were being completely sarcastic
I was being completely sarcastic.
The point being that, even without a hit that is at least debatable, Torres has a long list of incidents that show he is a piece of shit.
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The real reason they are a joke is that they extended Todd McLellan and are likely not making major roster moves but expect next year as always it will pan out.
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Now this, I can agree with!
And I never said Torres wasn't an ass, I just think he can be an asset to a team and none of us knows if he truly has changed his ways. Given how clean he was all of last year, the Sharks obviously thinks that he has turned the corner. As I said earlier, Cooke and Bertuzzi have.
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That's Doug Wilson. I mean I just loved him as a Blackhawk but as a GM....he is way, way too loyal. The Sharks have been a regular season wonder for years but can never take the last step. Players or coach? Apparently, it doesn't matter in San Jose as they do very little on either front.
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There are around 20 teams in the NHL that wish they had the sustained "success" that the Sharks have had over the past 8 years.
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