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I never said we were THE unlucky team
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This is exactly the point. The most vulnerable division leader is the Pirates, but your description of the White Sox chances are the best I've heard. The idea that some Cubs fan are picking against the "Sux" out of some meatball philosophy is certainly possible. Just as it is more than possible that if the White Sox were to miss the playoffs that some would console themselves with being better than the "Scrubbies". The statements I took umbrage with was this notion that only that meatball thinking could see the White Sox missing the postseason.
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I'm not one to judge and I try my best not to troll but it seems like some fans are a bit too sensitive about these things. It's just baseball, and I think most of us were objective enough to realize there's a possibility (not a guarantee, but a possibility) that some teams are in a more precarious position than others. This thread was started by a White Sox fan as well (though he does root for the Cubs, which is okay :lol: ) and a couple White Sox fans think that the Southsiders might be at risk. Maybe that makes them terrible fans, but it's not a "Cubs fans hate the Sox and therefore are a bunch of dicks"-only phenomenon given our turnout in this thread so far.
As for us Cubs fans, we already know the Cubs suck
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Has nothing to do with hating the White Sox. Has everything to do with the White Sox being the 3rd best team in their division from a talent standpoint.... and the Tigers and Indians eventually making personnel moves that the White Sox can't match (terrible farm system, no real prospects worth mentioning).
As it is, I think the only current divisional leaders that have a better than 50% chance at holding their leads are Washington and the Yankees. I think the AL West race is going to go down to the wire between Texas and Anaheim, the loser of that race takes the Wild Card. The NL West race will fall to the Giants unless the Dodgers end up making some incredible moves in the next couple of weeks. Both the tigers and Indians will make significant to big moves before the deadline, and eventually leave the White Sox behind (I doubt CHA ends up within 5 games of 1st by the end of the season). The NL Central is a toss up right now. If the Cardinals can get some pitching help, they'll become the favorites. However, Pittsburgh gets a bad rap because of their prolonged sucktastical track record. They do have a very talented, but young team that challenged for most of the season last year. They also have one of the best managers in the game. Cincy has the talent, but one of the worst managers in the game. I think that race is way too close to call. The NL Wild Card, I believe, will come down to LA, Atlanta, and whoever takes 2nd in the NL Central.
Summary: NYY and Washington win their divisions. Texas either wins division or WC. Dodgers and Pirates hold good chance of losing division, but winning WC. White Sox will lose division and finish in 3rd, with no hope of the WC.
So, by default.... the White Sox are the most likely current divisional leader that will not make it to the post season.
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The White Sox and the Dodgers.
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Yeah, who didn't see this coming..the Sox leading the voting.
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Right now, I see the playoffs laying out as this:
AL East: Yankees NL East: Nationals
AL Central : Tigers NL Central: Pirates/Reds/Cardinals
AL West: Rangers NL West: Giants
AL WC1: Angels NL WC1: Atlanta
AL WC2: Orioles/Rays NL WC2: Dodgers/Central #2
I think the White Sox have about a 25% chance of making the playoffs, while the Pirates (the team I think has the 2nd least chance of making it) have about a 33% chance right now. Let's come back to this when the trade deadline passes in a couple of weeks... and I'm sure that these guesstimates will change dramatically.
AL East: Yankees NL East: Nationals
AL Central : Tigers NL Central: Pirates/Reds/Cardinals
AL West: Rangers NL West: Giants
AL WC1: Angels NL WC1: Atlanta
AL WC2: Orioles/Rays NL WC2: Dodgers/Central #2
I think the White Sox have about a 25% chance of making the playoffs, while the Pirates (the team I think has the 2nd least chance of making it) have about a 33% chance right now. Let's come back to this when the trade deadline passes in a couple of weeks... and I'm sure that these guesstimates will change dramatically.
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I would've picked them to win the World Series too. Shame.
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I think a quick Google search would yield current playoff odds.
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Here's the latest from B-Pro:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/
I think current division leaders have an advantage and they also factor in rest-of-season projections. Of course, given trades and injuries all this could change within a month, or less.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/
I think current division leaders have an advantage and they also factor in rest-of-season projections. Of course, given trades and injuries all this could change within a month, or less.
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It would... but I'm not going by any other odds than those I personally perceive. If results always went by the bookies' odds... then 2003 would have never happened. Neither the Cubs nor the Marlins would have made the playoffs, nevertheless 7 games in the NLCS... and the fish eventually taking down the Yankees in the WS. The Tigers wouldn't have made the playoffs in 2006. The White Sox wouldn't have made it in 2005.
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I wasn't talking about Vegas odds, but actual calculated odds based on current record, talent level, and projected rest-of-season production.
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sox suck.
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Y'know...I've actually seen just about every member post that at some point in the White Sox threads...and many of them are Sox fans too. Just something amusing I've noticed.
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we are a different breed. for the most part we are negative as ****. we dont go goo goo gah gah over everything the sox do as a whole like some other fan bases. we know our flaws and understand the whole picture, we also arent printing playoff tickets yet when some teams fans would be printing ws tickets. also uman does not count as a sox fan, he jumps back and forth to what is the trend of the day....hence how he sported a theo avy.
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The Pirates might also miss the postseason.
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if I had to pick just 1 team to miss the postseason it would be the pirates.
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Yankees and Rangers are frauds. Everybody else is a shoe-in.
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...and you can put that on the board, yes! :beerbang:
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LMAO. Someone's sensitive.
It's okay though. Go ahead and call me a "meatball" or a "moron" because I know that you know everything about every subject in the world. :rofl:
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