Passan: Cubs will listen to trade offers for Bryant

[bamainatlanta]

I'm sure Boras will want $30million/yr+ for Bryant. Is his shoulder completely healed or will it be degenerative?

 

[CSF77]

I'm sure Boras will want $30million/yr+ for Bryant. Is his shoulder completely healed or will it be degenerative?

It would have flaired up by now I would have thought. I'm guessing it is behind him. It really depends if it is a impingement or not and if his swing is causing one. If so yes it will come back. It is the same thing with pitchers. The human body was never meant to do what they do mechanically so those injuries will happen.

 

[beckdawg]

Rendon should get about 150 million though too right? The guy is killing it this year.
I think when it comes down to it, we blew our load on Heyward and now only have room for Bryant or Baez contractually

Heyward isn't making that much. His contract was heavily front loaded where by $78 mil of the $186 mil was in the first 3 years. He's honestly relatively cheap the next few years($21/$21/$22/$22). Also before someone says it, Darvish is relatively cheap too($22/$22/$19/$18). They might be slightly over paid but realistically you're only expecting like 2-2.5 fWAR per season at that price out of them. Simply put, neither contract is like Chris Davis. Baez is probably going to get something similar to the $120/6 year deal Bogaerts got from the sox. So, he's not going to be super expensive either.

Honestly the problem isn't them having money. They have some to spend. They are currently at like $215 mil where as next year the only have $152.5 mil before options next year of which you're probably only talking about adding $14.5 for rizzo, $10.5 for Q, $1 mil for Phelps, and $3 mil for Graveman to push that total to $181.5 mil. Now they are losing Hamels, Zobrist, Castellanos, Cishek, Strop, Lucroy and Kintzler so they have a bit of work to do on top of that figure but the point I'm getting at here is there's room for bigger money next year and that $181.5 mil includes Bryant's arb estimate which is probably going to be close to $20 mil meaning even if he were to get $30 mil a year you're only adding an additional $10 from where they are.

So, while yes you have to be some what careful with how you pay out money, money itself isn't the issue after 2019. It's just that they kinda got caught in a spot where contract didn't line up right for them to spend in 2019 and that's why they were "cheap". Having to keep around Hamels as opposed to chatwood being the #5 starter as well as having to plug the hole Morrow's injury left set them back.

As for Rendon, I assume he'll get $25-30 mil a year for 6-7 years. But that's the thing.... Bryant isn't really "cheap" anymore. He's making $12.9 mil this year and I assume his next arbitration raise will be roughly $20 mil. So were you to trade him and sign Rendon yes you are adding money but you're not really adding all that much more.

Long story short, the point I'm trying to get across in all of this is you want to choose the right guy for the next 10 years. If that's Bryant then ok but the cubs have other options. If they think Betts is the guy they have the ability to shuffle the parts around and make that work.

 

[anotheridiot]

Honestly the problem isn't them having money. They have some to spend. They are currently at like $215 mil where as next year the only have $152.5 mil before options next year of which you're probably only talking about adding $14.5 for rizzo, $10.5 for Q, $1 mil for Phelps, and $3 mil for Graveman to push that total to $181.5 mil. Now they are losing Hamels, Zobrist, Castellanos, Cishek, Strop, Lucroy and Kintzler so they have a bit of work to do on top of that figure but the point

Long story short, the point I'm trying to get across in all of this is you want to choose the right guy for the next 10 years. If that's Bryant then ok but the cubs have other options. If they think Betts is the guy they have the ability to shuffle the parts around and make that work.

Part of the solution needs to be taken from the minors, and somehow, I do not think there will be a battle of Rhea, Alzolay and Chatwood to take Coles place in the rotation, or finally a shot at the woods, norwood and underwood to take the strop and Kintzler spots. Someone else will be paid. They always decide to pay.

The question will be whether or not an early exit gives them all kinds of money left and how they decide to blow that or the realization of how much it is actually going to cost to run a TV station creeps into the salary numbers..

 

[CSF77]

Part of the solution needs to be taken from the minors, and somehow, I do not think there will be a battle of Rhea, Alzolay and Chatwood to take Coles place in the rotation, or finally a shot at the woods, norwood and underwood to take the strop and Kintzler spots. Someone else will be paid. They always decide to pay.

The question will be whether or not an early exit gives them all kinds of money left and how they decide to blow that or the realization of how much it is actually going to cost to run a TV station creeps into the salary numbers..

I think that there will be talks with the other Cole but I don't see Theo paying that level unless they trade Q and Chatwood to free up the resources required.

The most likely scenerio is Chatwood in for Hamels and Alozay in Chatwood's role. To keep his inning in check. It is a safe move for a young arm on a contender. Then let him take over the following year with Chatwood and Q off the books

The odds are in this scenerio.

 

[anotheridiot]

How this started is leaving dollars are Cole 20 Strop 6.5 Cishek 6.5 Kintzler 5 Castellanos 10 zobrist 12.5.

If you let the Norwoods, Underwoods, Alzolays, Wicks win the bull pen spots, there is 45 million to figure out Bryant, Baez and Rizzo overages since Lesters deal also drops 3 million to 20 per.
Those three are making like 31 now, so if they want to block Alzolay and not let Chatwood try to win a spot again by signing cole for 25-30, they will be about even considering 20 million bumps for the big 3 if they allow the pen to be filled by the system. I know, that wont be enough for most fans wanting to tie us with every big free agent name..

I dont know who they would have to give up to move Descalso to get rid of that 2.5, but maybe its time to let theo move up some developed talent instead of going after free agents again.

 

[Omeletpants]

Castellanos is their best player and if they dont resign him their nuts

 

[anotheridiot]

Is the priority gonna be for a guy that they feel needs to be replaced defensively in close ball games?

I just think Nick gave the players that could not get behind Javy a guy to get behind.

 

[SilenceS]

Is the priority gonna be for a guy that they feel needs to be replaced defensively in close ball games?

I just think Nick gave the players that could not get behind Javy a guy to get behind.

You say the weirdest shit

 

[anotheridiot]

You say the weirdest shit

I type the weirdest shit.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Are you crying because right after I posted a potential situation and then you tried so desperately to bust my chops. And right after this comes out.

I told you it was common sense pending and I just posted one potential situation.

So instead of accually imputing some alternative trades that make more sense you decided to take the low road and act like a little *****.

Congrats. Now you are getting closer to Chi55.

LOL at Post #3 in this thread. Just pathetic. Sorry if I don't think the Twins are trading Bruxton and top prospects for Kris Bryant. Its not 'common sense'.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

You should put him on ignore. From the first time I showed up on the board, people have come and gone, but I’ve always enjoyed your posts and Beckdawg’s whether I’ve agreed with them or not. The hilarious thing about posters like him is they won’t ever admit when they are wrong. It’s a very bad trait, but posters like that aren’t on the forum for conversation and interest.

If you honestly think the Twins will be the team trading for Kris Bryant, then you are almost as bad as CSF77. At least you didn't claim "called it", although your postings are consistently the most illogical that CCS has to offer.