Patrick Williams knows pressure is on in Year 3

[Raskolnikov]

williams is a bust...nothing more to say. his defense is ok and sucks something awful on offense, shows no aggression with the ball in his hands...time to move on

He is stiff.

One of two professional athletes I know drafted a round early in top ten literally because of well marbled thighs.

I think the warriors pass on an NBA ready now basketball player from Dayton for a long term upside project turned bust looks worse than the Bulls.

 

[knoxville7]

@knoxville7 care to elaborate on your yawn? Curious on what you disagree with, if anything. Raw and advanced stats (other than 3PT%) are the exact same or worse across the board from last year. That’s just a fact. As of now, and barring a crazy breakout in year 4, it was a bad pick. 90% of the fanbase would agree

Lol so now we trust mainstream america fan bois as realiable sources of basketball?

Fun

 

[Enasic]

Lol so now we trust mainstream america fan bois as realiable sources of basketball?

Fun

That’s your elaboration? Lol

 

[knoxville7]

That’s your elaboration? Lol

Well, you for some reason wanted to include them in your reasoning, so yeah…I felt like it was more than fair to respond to that portion

I could elaborate into the statistics that show improvement, but you’ll simply poo poo them because he hasn’t lived up to your “bar” for a top pick in what was a pretty weak draft class

 

[Enasic]

Well, you for some reason wanted to include them in your reasoning, so yeah…I felt like it was more than fair to respond to that portion

I could elaborate into the statistics that show improvement, but you’ll simply poo poo them because he hasn’t lived up to your “bar” for a top pick in what was a pretty weak draft class

By all means, elaborate. Curious what you’re pointing to stat wise (outside of 3PT%) that shows all this improvement. Should be pretty obvious if there was any….

Seems like you know there wasn’t any and are now changing gears and bringing up “my bar” and a “pretty weak draft class” which is irrelevant to the conversation. He’s still largely the same inconsistent role player that he’s always been. The jump that we all were hoping for didn’t happen, and likely will never happen. Not sure why that’s so hard to admit.

 

[Scoot26]

By all means, elaborate. Curious what you’re pointing to stat wise (outside of 3PT%) that shows all this improvement. Should be pretty obvious if there was any….

Seems like you know there wasn’t any and are now changing gears and bringing up “my bar” and a “pretty weak draft class” which is irrelevant to the conversation. He’s still largely the same inconsistent role player that he’s always been. The jump that we all were hoping for didn’t happen, and likely will never happen. Not sure why that’s so hard to admit.

I mean, are you wow'd by this draft?


I'm not. Edwards is good though I don't think he's great. Wiseman thus far is a bust, LaMelo will probably have the same injury problems as his brother. Everyone taken after Patrick Williams until Haliburton isn't anything to write home about.

Williams is that classic guy who can take 6 years to develop... but by develop, I don't foresee him becoming anything great. He can still turn into a fairly good player, though I'm skeptical on him ever being All-Star worthy, but I leave room for that.

 

[knoxville7]

By all means, elaborate. Curious what you’re pointing to stat wise (outside of 3PT%) that shows all this improvement. Should be pretty obvious if there was any….

Seems like you know there wasn’t any and are now changing gears and bringing up “my bar” and a “pretty weak draft class” which is irrelevant to the conversation. He’s still largely the same inconsistent role player that he’s always been. The jump that we all were hoping for didn’t happen, and likely will never happen. Not sure why that’s so hard to admit.

Ahhh so aside from his improving the most important aspect of todays NBA(3% shooting) what else has he done?? You’ve clearly already made up your mind about the kid, there’s no point with you on him

 

[Enasic]

Ahhh so aside from his improving the most important aspect of todays NBA(3% shooting) what else has he done?? You’ve clearly already made up your mind about the kid, there’s no point with you on him

So you agree…other than Ann improved 3PT shot, his numbers are the same or worse across the board? That’s not making up my mind on him…that’s just facts. The “big jump” never happened.

 

[Enasic]

I mean, are you wow'd by this draft?
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I'm not. Edwards is good though I don't think he's great. Wiseman thus far is a bust, LaMelo will probably have the same injury problems as his brother. Everyone taken after Patrick Williams until Haliburton isn't anything to write home about.

Williams is that classic guy who can take 6 years to develop... but by develop, I don't foresee him becoming anything great. He can still turn into a fairly good player, though I'm skeptical on him ever being All-Star worthy, but I leave room for that.

That’s not the argument though. The draft class is irrelevant. Even though we all know how I feel about Halliburton and a franchise altering miss by AK

I was responding to claims how Williams made all these improvements. It’s simply not true. Many on here were expecting this big jump from him and it didn’t happen. Aside from an improved 3PT%, he’s still the same inconsistent role player.

He’s averaging 1 more PPG but also averaging 4 more MPG. His eFG%, FG%, PER, TS%, and WS/48 are all down from last year. He’s still only averaging 4 RPG, which is comical. It’s not like I’m speaking outta school here. This was the year we needed to see a jump. It didn’t happen.

 

[knoxville7]

So you agree…other than Ann improved 3PT shot, his numbers are the same or worse across the board? That’s not making up my mind on him…that’s just facts. The “big jump” never happened.

Not sure how you extrapolate that conclusion from what I’ve said, however it goes to prove why I’m not bothering to have the discussion with you

 

[knoxville7]

That’s not the argument though. The draft class is irrelevant. Even though we all know how I feel about Halliburton and a franchise altering miss by AK

I was responding to claims how Williams made all these improvements. It’s simply not true. Many on here were expecting this big jump from him and it didn’t happen. Aside from an improved 3PT%, he’s still the same inconsistent role player.

He’s averaging 1 more PPG but also averaging 4 more MPG. His eFG%, FG%, PER, TS%, and WS/48 are all down from last year. He’s still only averaging 4 RPG, which is comical. It’s not like I’m speaking outta school here. This was the year we needed to see a jump. It didn’t happen.

Who on here expected his numbers to jump???

I don’t recall many thinking that would occur.

Hell, I even tried telling this board that his numbers won’t improve, however his play may. He was never going to have a jump in PPG on this roster where shots are gobbled up by ZL, DD, and Vuc. Anyone who thought he would jump to a 15+ PPG this season wasn’t thinking

 

[clonetrooper264]

Is there a team in the league right now that has a 4th option that averages 15 a game? Genuine question

 

[Scoot26]

Who on here expected his numbers to jump???

I don’t recall many thinking that would occur.

Hell, I even tried telling this board that his numbers won’t improve, however his play may. He was never going to have a jump in PPG on this roster where shots are gobbled up by ZL, DD, and Vuc. Anyone who thought he would jump to a 15+ PPG this season wasn’t thinking

What, you mean 4 players can't all average 20ppg on the same team?

 

[Enasic]

Who on here expected his numbers to jump???

I don’t recall many thinking that would occur.

Hell, I even tried telling this board that his numbers won’t improve, however his play may. He was never going to have a jump in PPG on this roster where shots are gobbled up by ZL, DD, and Vuc. Anyone who thought he would jump to a 15+ PPG this season wasn’t thinking

What do points have to do with rebounding and efficiency numbers? His RPG are the same despite playing 4 more MPG and his efficiency numbers (PER, eFG%, and TS%) aren’t any better either. These are just facts….

 

[knoxville7]

What do points have to do with rebounding and efficiency numbers? His RPG are the same despite playing 4 more MPG and his efficiency numbers (PER, eFG%, and TS%) aren’t any better either. These are just facts….

Ahhh so you expected him to become what…a 8 rebounds per game guy??

And his shooting was already solid, so yeah you’re not going to see massive jumps in TS% because it was already really high

Not sure what you’re expecting out of him?

He’s a really good 3 and D player on a roster with 3 guys with multiple all star appearances on it.

Now, if 1 or 2 of those guys go bye bye…then I’d say it’s time to see PWill take a big step

 

[knoxville7]

His block % went up 1.1% which I’m sure @Enasic will poo poo, but that’s a large jump year over year. Further pointing to his defensive ability advancing.

He had his first season with a VORP above 0, at 0.4

He collected 3.5 win shares(a career high), of which 3 wins were at the defensive end, also a career high

He shot 42% from 3 on 3.5 attempts per game for a team in DESPERATE need of 3 point shooters

But yeah, he is a bum according to some on here

At worst he will just be an elite 3 and D type wing player.

 

[knoxville7]

Fun FACT
PWill has a higher career TS% than Demar Derozan and almost as good as Zach Lavine’s

 

[Enasic]

Ahhh so you expected him to become what…a 8 rebounds per game guy??

And his shooting was already solid, so yeah you’re not going to see massive jumps in TS%

Not sure what you’re expecting out of him?

He’s a really good 3 and D player on a roster with 3 guys with multiple all star appearances on it.

Now, if 1 or 2 of those guys go bye bye…then I’d say it’s time to see PWill take a big step

Never said anything about 8 RPG. However, it would have been nice to see ANY improvement on the glass. He literally stayed exactly the same despite playing 4 more MPG. 5.5-6 with his size and athleticism isn’t too much to ask. He’s just not a very good rebounder and would like to see him get better there.

It’s not like I even have high expectations. Just wanted to see a more consistent player who can create a bit more. Like I said, his efficiency numbers stayed the same. Was hoping for an uptick in PER. The Bulls needed a more consistent and impactful player at the 4 spot, and while Williams did improve his 3PT shooting and defense (especially later in the season), I think he fell short of what the Bulls needed and expectations. I’m sure Williams would admit he needs to play better and be more consistent too

 

[Enasic]

His block % went up 1.1% which I’m sure @Enasic will poo poo, but that’s a large jump year over year. Further pointing to his defensive ability advancing.

He had his first season with a VORP above 0, at 0.4

He collected 3.5 win shares(a career high), of which 3 wins were at the defensive end, also a career high

He shot 42% from 3 on 3.5 attempts per game for a team in DESPERATE need of 3 point shooters

But yeah, he is a bum according to some on here

At worst he will just be an elite 3 and D type wing player.

Never said he’s a bum.

 

[Enasic]

Fun FACT
PWill has a higher career TS% than Demar Derozan and almost as good as Zach Lavine’s

As he should as those guys create their own shot and Williams is essentially a spot up shooter.