Peter King Article: On The Mack Mistake

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Good articl Remy...
I agree there was upside for Oakland as well... especially if they couldn’t reach the numbers Mack wanted. They at the very least got what they could.
 

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Hey Oakland fans, even though you support us with sell outs every Sunday and are one of the most rabid fan bases in the NFL...

We’re moving to Las Vegas.

The relocation cost precludes us from extending the best player on our roster.

We did this to you before.

Have a nice day!

Sincerely,

Mark, Jon and Reggie

When praising fan support and sellouts; dont forget to include the tarp in the upper deck covering 20k sests making their stadium appear sold out

The biggest myth is the rabid fanbase of the raiders....always have had awful home attendance numbers
 

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In a way, I don't fault the Raiders. What garners praise though is Pace getting it done!!! I didn't see it coming at all, figured it was just a pipe dream. With no players added, we basically gave up a first, considering Mack a first round pick, and swapped a third for a second for him. Amazing.
 

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That 2nd rounder they gave back was key. It will be a high 2nd rounder which makes it almost like a late 1st. Our 2020 1st rounder, if all goes well, will be a late 1st rounder. So let's call our 2020 1st rounder and their 2020 2nd rounder a wash. So we basically traded for Mack for a 2019 1st rounder, 2019 6th rounder, and a 2020 3rd rounder. And as a safety net, we still get a conditional 5th rounder from them.

That's crazy for a player like Mack.

Perhaps it is semantics, but I have seen so many people make reference to the overall trade in different ways.

First, to be perfectly clear, I LOVE this trade.

But we did not "get back a 2nd rounder", we traded up from a 3rd to a 2nd. But I am very happy with that. It softens the blow of that 2020 first rounder being used.

I stated on Saturday in much the same way Pace said it: Our 2019 first round pick was Khalil Mack. If you pick that player in Round 1, you've hit a home run. And we get him in 2018, also, by using the 2019 pick. (Nobody ever seems to account for that part when teams trade away future #1's. Carson Wentz played a season in Philly prior to the draft pick they used for him. Well, one of them)

King's perspective on % of salary cap, and wisely accounting for the expected rise, was interesting and on point. Another point to consider is that a huge contract per year today looks better as years go by since salaries only go up. Two years from now, some player not nearly as good as Aaron Donald or Mack will be making more per year.

I realize Mack is not some superman simply by seeing that coaches game plan for him. That happens with others, too. But how many? Mack is one of a relatively small number of defenders who alter the game plan so significantly. I look forward to seeing how much flexibility it gives Vic in formations, where he sends pressure from, how ot helps our secondary, etc.

I, too, wish Smith and mack were practicing for longer than a week or so prior to GB, and the fact that is in Week 1 is not great. But then again...what a way to start.

Football season was going to be far more interesting this year than in the recent past, and it just got much more so!
 

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That 2nd rounder they gave back was key. It will be a high 2nd rounder which makes it almost like a late 1st. Our 2020 1st rounder, if all goes well, will be a late 1st rounder. So let's call our 2020 1st rounder and their 2020 2nd rounder a wash. So we basically traded for Mack for a 2019 1st rounder, 2019 6th rounder, and a 2020 3rd rounder. And as a safety net, we still get a conditional 5th rounder from them.

That's crazy for a player like Mack.

Its actually better than that; its

Mack for next years 1 + 6

The following year we just swap a 1 for a 2 and a 3 for a 5.....and if we're good and they're bad those differences are slim.

Gruden is a dipshit with no plan

A 3rd for a guy about to be suspended for a year and shockingly he geta suspended.....and this mouth breather says hes do the deal again?

A 5th for a backup qb who was just signed to be a starting qb for the worst team in the leauge and ended up as the 3rd stringer?

Like King says; he's flinstoneesque in viewing mack deal as $ an not a % of the cap.
 

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As to the point of the % of salary, I think it’s a good one but many posters here we’re celebrating Rodgers’ new contract but it would “cripple” the Packers’ salary cap for the next 6 years. Subjective points of view.
 

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You need first round picks for impact and hopefully generational talent. Everyone else can be had later in the draft or FA, though sometimes you can luck out at find great talent later.
This isn’t the NFL of the 80’s where winning teams had HOF talent all over. Now the goal is to have one or two great players and no real weaknesses anywhere else.
As constructed, it’s probably a playoff team now, if Trubisky ends up being the QB that Pace and Nagy believe him to be, they are strong SB contenders.


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As to the point of the % of salary, I think it’s a good one but many posters here we’re celebrating Rodgers’ new contract but it would “cripple” the Packers’ salary cap for the next 6 years. Subjective points of view.

The Pack are also paying good money to Matthews. The Bears only have one contract in double figures (Robinson) have a younger team and have most of their starters locked up.


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As to the point of the % of salary, I think it’s a good one but many posters here we’re celebrating Rodgers’ new contract but it would “cripple” the Packers’ salary cap for the next 6 years. Subjective points of view.

Yes, it absolutely cripples their chances of ever landing any superstar players. They already fucked up in a major way by not paying players in free agency while Rodgers was giving them a discount on his contract. Now he finally said fuck this shit, pay me.

As for roid rage boy, I wouldn't count him against their salary cap much longer. I fully expect GB to dump Clay in the near future.
 

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Just saw a great comment from T Davis...

You know who won the Mack trade... every QB in the AFC West.
 

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There are times to make first-round picks untouchable. This was not one of them. There’s this impression out there that first-round picks are the Holy Grail of team development, absolutely irreplaceable pieces of a team’s future.

This is what people aren't getting either. They didn't trade these picks for some run of the mill defender, or even someone really good, or someone that's awesome at the end of their career. Pace got one of the best, at the second most important position, in his fucking prime. Two firsts for that is nothing. You make that trade as fast as you can and run away before they realize what happened.
 

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The Pack are also paying good money to Matthews. The Bears only have one contract in double figures (Robinson) have a younger team and have most of their starters locked up.


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somehow Packers fans were only willing to give a 1st and Matthews for Mack.......


If the Pack landed Mack, Matthews would be out the door.
 

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Idt think Oakland has a cap space problem. Looks like they have a cash flow problem and didn’t want to pay all those guarantees at one time.

Also most leaders take the blame in bad situations. Gruden is trying to spread the blame. Whether he is right or wrong i lose some respect for him with that. Makes me think his ego also got in the way
 

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Ryan Pace finally gets his revenge and then some after being completely bamboozled by John Lynch into needlessly trading up 1 spot in the draft last year :lol:



Still hard to believe. There is just no market for even a half way decent edge rusher in the NFL. The only way to get one is usually at the top 5 pick of the draft, edge rusher is always the first defensive player selected. And If you want a hall of fame caliber edge rusher, you better get really lucky and hit on the 1 dude that comes along every decade. And If the Bears have a decent record these next 2 years, the picks they gave up wont even be equal to that of one top 5 draft choice.

As far as I’m concerned, this was a terrible deal for the Raiders and there is no way they will be able to recoup anywhere near the value of Mack. They thought Mack was bluffing. They were mistaken. They panicked and made an atrocious decision. Ryan Pace realized the possibilitity and took advantage of this decision. Pace wasn’t playing around. While other teams were haggling on compensation, Pace swooped in and gave up 2 firsts without hesitation and landed a HOF level player at the 2nd most important position in the NFL. Give this man the 2018 GM of the year award right now.

Can’t fucking wait for week 1 :woot:

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What’s crazy about that gif is after attacking the initial blocker, he took down the running back as well with his right arm alone. And still got the quarterback. Jesus fucking Christ man.


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The FudgePackers have to account for Mack. All he has to do is STAND there and they will double team him. He can go 80% for two thirds of his snaps and he will be Super Disruptive just being out on the field.

He is kinda like TURBO and his effect on a D because he stretches the field... OR Cohen needing to be covered out of the backfield... even when used as a decoy.

The Flying Tiger / Apex Predator just has to be in the game and give us 6 or 7 All Out Snaps out of 40 and he will wreck havoc Sunday. The Dude is gonna play and I just hope he doesn't hurt himself trying to go too hard too fast.... BUT THE DUDE isn't called an Apex Predator Flying Tiger for nothing. He has monitored his body his whole life and will know when to turn on the JETS
 

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If I am Raiders I make this trade all day. I do not spend 50 million on 2 players when my team still sucks ass and aren't really a contender.

If I am the Bears I make this trade all day. Now is the time to spend on Mack when Trubs is on his rookie deal and when there are no glaring holes on the team like with the Raiders.

The 2 teams are heading in different directions which is why it was a good trade for both.

Coming into the season, I don't think they were planning on rebuilding. Just judging this based on all the moves they made prior to trading Mack. I think now, they've accepted that they're rebuilding and it's a good move for the Raiders.
 

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Coming into the season, I don't think they were planning on rebuilding. Just judging this based on all the moves they made prior to trading Mack. I think now, they've accepted that they're rebuilding and it's a good move for the Raiders.

They didn't really make any big moves. Jordy Nelson is like signing Eddie Royal. Would have to look at who else they signed.
 

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+ Turned our 3rd into a 2nd

+ Turned our 6th into a 5th (we didn't GAIN these picks)

+ Good point about that 2nd likely to be a HIGHER pick b/c clearly OAK is tanking for their move to Vegas.


Well played to sell our 1ts at a high point when OAK & everybody else underestimates the Bears future W/L record. They'll be disappointed when that 1st ends up a 22nd pick or so - hopefully worse.


In Oakland's defense: You don't spend huge to keep Mack if going nowhere & rebuilding. You pay to keep him if trying AT ALL to be relevant & competitive. This shows they are not & is the only reasonable explanation for OAK. Unfort NO GM or coach EVER will admit they are rebuilding much less tanking. Gruden better have a long secure contract b/c it'll be ugly for him for several years - especially with them ditching Oakland.
 

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