Polish groups demand President Obama apologize for polish camp remarks

[winos5]

The Obama Nobel peace prize is an embarrassment, not to only to Obama (should have declined it) but the Nobel Peace Prize Committee. He had done squat when he received it and proceeded to do nothing to deserve it. The Norwegians have always had a penchant to suck up to the WH and US and they got all carried away with the Obama gravy train. Although it wasn't the first time a questionable Peace prize was given to an undeserving person(s).

Racist

 

[BigPete]

Bush wasn't inept. He simply made decisions that many didn't agree with. If the war wasn't legal, then tell it to Congress because they allowed it.

Congress got duped by the same fake intelligence that Bush/Cheney tried to force Powell to pedal to the international community. Bush/Cheney made up reasons to attack a sovereign nation and in turn killed a few hundred thousand people. How is that 'legal'? Because we are the big bad US and no one is going to hold us accountable???? Yeah...

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Congress got duped by the same fake intelligence that Bush/Cheney tried to force Powell to pedal to the international community. Bush/Cheney made up reasons to attack a sovereign nation and in turn killed a few hundred thousand people. How is that 'legal'? Because we are the big bad US and no one is going to hold us accountable???? Yeah...

The only thing I am going to say about this is that I think the intents to go into Iraq were a plan on the books before W. My military training shifted from going against the commies to desert fighting very quickly in 1994. Same with many of my friends who were in other types of units and branches. Almost like the gun pointing at some middle-east nation now had a hair trigger.

 

[BigPete]

We had operational plans for going to war with Iraq during the 90s because we just went to war with them and knew that they could become a threat again rather quickly. We still have operational plans to go to war with North Korea, do you think we are going to use them any time soon?

 

[supraman]

We had operational plans for going to war with Iraq during the 90s because we just went to war with them and knew that they could become a threat again rather quickly. We still have operational plans to go to war with North Korea, do you think we are going to use them any time soon?

...hate to let a good plan go to waste...

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

We had operational plans for going to war with Iraq during the 90s because we just went to war with them and knew that they could become a threat again rather quickly. We still have operational plans to go to war with North Korea, do you think we are going to use them any time soon?

Plans and massive adjustments in training on a large scale are two different things.

 

[BigPete]

Plans and massive adjustments in training on a large scale are two different things.

We didn't make any major changes in training until after we learned that the plans we had to invade IZ were completely insufficient. "No stabilization plan" ring a bell?



We were war gaming on that country just like we were war gaming on a few others at the time. That is no indication that attack is eminent. However, if that is what you are saying then it only reinforces what I said for years. That the year or two leading up to 9/11 we wanted to get into a fight with IZ and just needed a good reason. Bush/Cheney just happened to make up that reason.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

We didn't make any major changes in training until after we learned that the plans we had to invade IZ were completely insufficient. "No stabilization plan" ring a bell?



We were war gaming on that country just like we were war gaming on a few others at the time. That is no indication that attack is eminent. However, if that is what you are saying then it only reinforces what I said for years. That the year or two leading up to 9/11 we wanted to get into a fight with IZ and just needed a good reason. Bush/Cheney just happened to make up that reason.

I am talking about the shift in training around 1994...well before Bush/Cheney.

 

[BigPete]

I am talking about the shift in training around 1994...well before Bush/Cheney.

Fair enough, but we were just coming off the Gulf War invasion, so it still makes sense from a planning and preparedness standpoint.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Fair enough, but we were just coming off the Gulf War invasion, so it still makes sense from a planning and preparedness standpoint.

The DOD at that time was pretty incapable of adjusting on a large scale so quickly when it came to preparedness. It was still the old mentality and not where things had become by the 00's. That was also the time that they were starting to get the branches to actually function with each other.



They knew who our next targets were most likely going to be since the "big bad reds" had been taken down and the first attempts to bomb the World Trade Center occured. The shift in training for your enemy was against smaller units or teams in a desert-like environment. Perhaps the intel on Bin Laden was already that good, or perhaps there were intents to go back and "finish the job" in Iraq that far back (adjusting the training to correct much of the issues that occured during Desert Strom to allow that to happen and occupy). But that is one of the major factors as to why I will not call what W did his administration's thing alone.

 

[TSD]

The DOD at that time was pretty incapable of adjusting on a large scale so quickly when it came to preparedness. It was still the old mentality and not where things had become by the 00's. That was also the time that they were starting to get the branches to actually function with each other.



They knew who our next targets were most likely going to be since the "big bad reds" had been taken down and the first attempts to bomb the World Trade Center occured. The shift in training for your enemy was against smaller units or teams in a desert-like environment. Perhaps the intel on Bin Laden was already that good, or perhaps there were intents to go back and "finish the job" in Iraq that far back (adjusting the training to correct much of the issues that occured during Desert Strom to allow that to happen and occupy). But that is one of the major factors as to why I will not call what W did his administration's thing alone.

I watched a documentary in August of 01 on history channel that predicted the 2nd Iraq war. It was basically saying like the damage the US did set the Iraqi Army back so much it would take them 10 years to replenish and was all saying we might go to war with them again. Im sure the guy that made the doc was all feeling like nostradamus and shit in 2003.

 

[LordKOTL]

^^^Probably like Pershing would have felt in 1941. I believe he predicted that WWI solved nothing.