Prominent Athiest Blogger converts to Christianity

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BigPete said:
I would love if more people could do this openly and honestly. Too many people think you are going to use their words against them or try to convert you into a non-believer. I just want a better understanding of why people choose to believe what they believe or how they could have faith in something they can't see, feel, smell, or taste...or why they even need that faith in the first place. It would be nice if some people took responsibility for their actions and didn't try to put it all on something else, but that is a whole other part of the human condition that is unfortunate to me.
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Honestly, the best way to get someone interested in the things you like or believe is to let them ask the questions, and not force it on to them.



The wife doesn't care for Star Wars. everyone that finds that out is always shocked, or says "you have never seen it? What the....". That just furthers her resolve to never watch it.



Same is true for broccoli and anal sex. If you are forced to have it as a kid, you are gonna hate it as an adult.
 
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I didn't really get much from the interview because it was so brief.

I feel the questions were general, and her responses vague-- but it's difficult to get specific under 3 minutes.
 
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BlackhawkPaul said:
I didn't really get much from the interview because it was so brief.

I feel the questions were general, and her responses vague-- but it's difficult to get specific under 3 minutes.
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One comment she made was curious to me. Where she said, before she "converted". where she said both her atheist and christian friends disagreed with her views and thought they fit better in a christian framework. Or is she specifically referring to her views on morality? That needed a little more explaining.



This is still odd to me that she jumped right into a very specific religion. Its just odd to me of all things, the concept of morality is what seems to have changed her mind and that's why the whole switch to a specific religion is curious to me. Most world religions have a sense of morality from deities and or deity. I assume it is simply because that is what is familiar to her.



But im still not completely clear what about it made her make the decision she did. Morality is partially biological/intrinsic, partially learned. You either believe that comes from God or not, whether people are able to come up with the concept of right and wrong on their own or not and for some people morals are personal. While for the majority of people be they atheist or believer, doing bad things to others is considered immoral. Where the two seem to part ways at least with christianity, honestly when I think about it, if I rejoined the church tomorrow, about the only thing I would have to start curtailing in my behavior (other than believing and going to church) is my views on human sexuality, and start buying into all that no pre-marital sex or Adam and Steve crap, thats really it.
 

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Well TSD, you bring up some good points. Most of the older generation Americans are scarred to death that the next generations won't have good morals if they don't get them from the 'church'. It is a shame that too many people in America have no clue who Hammurabi is or what he and his predecessors did for the establishment of modern law. Law is born from morality which is little more than knowing right from wrong (even though that is one seriously complex set of 'rules').



What Christians believe is that some supernatural deity delivered a kinder, gentler version of societal laws in the form of visions, stories, and fables, and let's not forget about divinely carved stone tablets. This was so widely accepted in the region because many of the punishments metered out by Hammurabi's laws were very harsh and many of the follow on rules of law were not much better. The Millennial era Romans did little to help the matter, hell they crucified the favorite evangelist in the Holy Land in the early 1st Century C.E.



On the flip side, I have always maintained that you can have laws and even have codes of morality without ever tying it to a deity.
 

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God damn you BCE and CE freaks.
 
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BigPete said:
Well TSD, you bring up some good points. Most of the older generation Americans are scarred to death that the next generations won't have good morals if they don't get them from the 'church'. It is a shame that too many people in America have no clue who Hammurabi is or what he and his predecessors did for the establishment of modern law. Law is born from morality which is little more than knowing right from wrong (even though that is one seriously complex set of 'rules').



What Christians believe is that some supernatural deity delivered a kinder, gentler version of societal laws in the form of visions, stories, and fables, and let's not forget about divinely carved stone tablets. This was so widely accepted in the region because many of the punishments metered out by Hammurabi's laws were very harsh and many of the follow on rules of law were not much better. The Millennial era Romans did little to help the matter, hell they crucified the favorite evangelist in the Holy Land in the early 1st Century C.E.



On the flip side, I have always maintained that you can have laws and even have codes of morality without ever tying it to a deity.
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allegedly.
 

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allegedly.
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It makes for a great story. So there is nothing alleged about it, lol.



My wife is a Lutheran (non-practicing like much of America these days) and on an intellectual level I think she agrees with me that all religion is man made and essentially not real, but emotionally she is still a believer. Her belief includes every modern notion about who Jesus was and what happened to him. It's very strange to me. I wish I understood why people believe these supernatural things, as she does. In her case she spent a lot of time around that faith as a kid (she went to a parochial school for K-8) and she has a pretty fucked up family so I think she likes that there are reasons for that (even if those reasons are only known by her deity).



But I guess that is why so many people in America still cling to religion, it gives answers to the question 'why are we here' and some moral or social edicts by which to live.
 

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BigPete said:
It makes for a great story. So there is nothing alleged about it, lol.



My wife is a Lutheran (non-practicing like much of America these days) and on an intellectual level I think she agrees with me that all religion is man made and essentially not real, but emotionally she is still a believer. Her belief includes every modern notion about who Jesus was and what happened to him. It's very strange to me. I wish I understood why people believe these supernatural things, as she does. In her case she spent a lot of time around that faith as a kid (she went to a parochial school for K-8) and she has a pretty fucked up family so I think she likes that there are reasons for that (even if those reasons are only known by her deity).



But I guess that is why so many people in America still cling to religion, it gives answers to the question 'why are we here' and some moral or social edicts by which to live.
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(The below is not an argument pro or con. I am way too self-centered and old to care what other people think about this crap)



Actually it is kind of a real shitty story if you ask me. If I use Mel Gibson's um... Beat on Christ movie as reference, if we had not heard bible stories since we were kids, the story is HORRIBLE! Impossible to follow, full of garbage themes and not to mention not even IN the damn book and is there to help Jew-hating throughout the ages.



There ARE a few really good stories in the Bible though, this just aint one of em. TERRIBLE storytelling...



"I LOVE this Gooood character... He is so DELIGHTFULLY eeeevil... Pestilence here, Plague there... OMNIPOTENCE! Gotta get me some of THAT!" -- Stewie, Family Guy.
 
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