Punching a Woman in the Face...

[BlackHawkPaul]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/viral-video/cleveland-bus-punch-736901



A Cleveland bus driver did just that.

Justified?

Over the line?

 

[MassHavoc]

Wow..... I was ready to be like... she probably deserved it, but after watching the video, what... the ****.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Wow..... I was ready to be like... she probably deserved it, but after watching the video, what... the ****.

The bus driver reared up and did a Soda Popinski Punchout uppercut.

 

[MassHavoc]

The bus driver reared up and did a Soda Popinski Punchout uppercut.

Excatly, I'm not saying she didn't deserve some sort of repercussions, but hooooly shit. How did she even walk after that? He must have not got her real good and I don't care to see it again.

 

[The Count Dante]

Wow. That was one hell of a punch...

 

[Ton]

I don't know, apparently she punched him and spit on him while he was driving according to some in the comments? Not that they are reputable or anything, but who knows what else she did while the bus was in motion that wasn't caught on camera. Did the driver act appropriately? Probably not. Could the situation have been resolved in another way? I don't know, she was pretty out of control to begin with and you can see in the video she touched him or may have even slapped him while he was driving -- but I would guess that there could have been other ways to get her off the bus and maybe you can blame RTA for not training their employees properly on how to deal with a matter like this.



I would never attack a girl unless it was in self-defense. I don't care what the public perception is, men are lying to themselves if they think they would sit there and get their face kicked in, maybe even killed, just because "shes a girl" and it's forbidden to fight... this IMO, was not one of those situations. If she would have pulled a knife or something like that, then I wouldn't blame him. But without further information I think it would be poor judgement to say this guy did the right thing.

 

[MassHavoc]

The spitting and Choking/hitting that she did was that brief second that was kind of obscured before he stopped the bus and stood up. He should have stopped the bus a long time before it escalated to this. She was on the bus without a fare because she said she left her bookbag on it. I'm still not sure why she was even still on the bus while it was in motion especially after being that abusive vocally. She works at a restaurant and the witnesses said she was drunk and very abusive. It's one thing to defend yourself against a woman, but this was almost a cheap shot. hah. I mean I was sitting there watching the video waiting for it to happen and I still didn't see it coming and gave an audible gasp of holy shit here at work with my headphones on. I'm not above a woman needing to be put in her place if she is attacking you, but that's what the pimp hand is for. haha.

 

[Ton]

Yeah that uppercut was brutal. Like I said, RTA really should be training their employees to deal with hostile customers on the bus -- it's not like it's uncommon for things to go haywire on a bus. If he didn't get the proper training to deal with these situations, I would think he could sue them for suspending him, or if they ultimately fire him.

 

[The Count Dante]

Man lost his temper and will pay for it. While it hasnt happened to me on CTA buses, I would guess all the driver has to do is stop the bus, call the cops, and wait.



Now, if she is hitting and spitting? Man or woman, you are gonna be dealt with in some fashion. Although an uppercut to a woman and one that you outweigh by 50+lbs is not exactly a justifiable punch. Grab and throw off the bus? Sure, I can see that. A massive, Street-fighter uppercut? Harder to justify...

 

[Ton]

Man lost his temper and will pay for it. While it hasnt happened to me on CTA buses, I would guess all the driver has to do is stop the bus, call the cops, and wait.



Now, if she is hitting and spitting? Man or woman, you are gonna be dealt with in some fashion. Although an uppercut to a woman and one that you outweigh by 50+lbs is not exactly a justifiable punch. Grab and throw off the bus? Sure, I can see that. A massive, Street-fighter uppercut? Harder to justify...

This post is endorsed by me. He went overboard and lost his cool, could have been dealt with in other ways. LOL at the street fighter reference!

 

[supraman]

Well she has been told once.

 

[phranchk]

God damn! That was brutal. She's pretty lucky as that kind of punch could've killed her.

 

[MassHavoc]

Man... that gif is brutal, I"m going to have to adblock it...

 

[LordKOTL]

SHO-RUYKEN!!!!!



Seriously, without knowing more I can't really comment except to say that at that moment in time, it didn't look like the bus driver was being physcally threatened.



However, on the whole philosophy about striking a woman, here are some of my thoughts:



I personally think it is wrong to strike someone; anyone, unless it's self-defense and only as a last resort. I also think that if we are to hold true equality of the sexes and the de-facto way of thinking and operating, then equal has to be equal.



As such, I would look at striking a woman as i would striking a man that is approximately equal to said woman, physically. That is, they might or might not be a viable threat given their physical size or fighting skill, but if they are attacking me with reckless abandon then yeah, I will defend myself enough to deter further attack. Just because one is female and suposedly the "weaker" or "fairer" sex, it does not give them a carte blanche to attack someone physically without fear of reprocussions, nor should it.

 

[Ton]

SHO-RUYKEN!!!!!



Seriously, without knowing more I can't really comment except to say that at that moment in time, it didn't look like the bus driver was being physcally threatened.



However, on the whole philosophy about striking a woman, here are some of my thoughts:



I personally think it is wrong to strike someone; anyone, unless it's self-defense and only as a last resort. I also think that if we are to hold true equality of the sexes and the de-facto way of thinking and operating, then equal has to be equal.



As such, I would look at striking a woman as i would striking a man that is approximately equal to said woman, physically. That is, they might or might not be a viable threat given their physical size or fighting skill, but if they are attacking me with reckless abandon then yeah, I will defend myself enough to deter further attack. Just because one is female and suposedly the "weaker" or "fairer" sex, it does not give them a carte blanche to attack someone physically without fear of reprocussions, nor should it.

Agreed with the last paragraph... that said, this doesn't look like this case qualifies under that sort of description. If I felt threatened I would do what is necessary to defend myself, and I would think uppercutting someone in the face would be more of a last resort than my first move.



She was "poking the bear" so to speak, but certainly was not enough of a threat to impose self-defense and as a human being there should be more self restraint than that of a bear. He was suspended, and rightfully so, but I still think they need to investigate to see if the company actually trains their employees for these situations. From what is going around the rumor mill, it sounds like she refused to pay. I would assume the company has a guideline on customers who refuse to pay and he clearly didn't follow that protocol... I would think that it would be along the lines of refusing service and politely asking them to exit the bus before driving away, and if that doesn't work (looks like it probably wouldn't in this case) and they start to get aggressive, call the police. Instead he drove off and argued with her, which only escalated the situation. If that's the case he should be fired immediately.

 

[LordKOTL]

^^Pretty much. As I said, it didn't feel like he was being physically threatened to the point of having to Shoryuken her.



Your last paragraph on how to train transit operators for that eventuality is pretty much spot on with respect to what one could logically deduce as "proper procedure for dealing with someone refusing to pay the fare."



Still, if he had to get physical with her because she wouldn't pay the fare, then pop-culture reference procedure states that you must use the best and most relevant reference, and SFII doesn't cut it in this case. Proper pop-culture reference procedure would have been to grab her, throw her from the bus, and then look to the horrified passengers and say, very slowly and emphatically, "No Ticket!"

 

[jakobeast]

Proper pop-culture reference procedure would have been to grab her, throw her from the bus, and then look to the horrified passengers and say, very slowly and emphatically, "No Ticket!"

This to a T. That is what I would do.



That was a hell of a hit. I give the broad credit for taking that and getting back up.



My favorite line? "...my ***** is gonna come and beat the black off you". That is impressive.

 

[TSD]

Neither of them acted appropriately and they should both spend time in the box. I don't get where people develop these fuckin alpha dog personalities where they need to dominate people physically. I've walked away from 5 or 6 fights as an adult. It just isn't worth it, and I don't know where people get it in their heads that it is. Whatever results from it can destroy your life. Not talking about clear cut self defense, but bullshit just like this, where somebody probably said something, and now it needs to ultimately be answered with violence apparently.



I am actually pretty sickened by what alot of the people are saying in the comments, considering they are to facebook and not exactly anonymous. Everyones ready to rear up and beat somebodies ass for doing that.



Newsflash, everybody isnt an undefeated UFC fighter. If someone does something stupid to you and you feel the need to escalate you may be the one that ends up getting your teeth sent through the back of your head.



I don't spend my days training to fight people, I have no reason to believe I would fair better in a fight than anyone else, so If I can, I avoid them.





People dont think of things like what she had a weapon? He could have sat his ass down and called the cops at the stop and nothing else would have happened. She could have had a knife and gutted his ass following his upper cut.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

Careful fellows, you might get the misogyny thread thrown at you.........

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Good for him!!!!!!!! Ghetto ***** got what she deserved. She laid hands on him first.



If that was a dude getting punched, this would be a non-story.



Females can't assault people without repercussions.



Sick uppercut by that dude.