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Thats a tough thing to put on Theriot. He's leading the league in hits. He's going to be our most consistent leadoff hitter no matter what.

This argument comes up every year. It's the same people that wanted Theriot to leadoff instead of Soriano, that want a new leadoff guy now.
 

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He's going to be our most consistent leadoff hitter no matter what.

Wait, consistent at what? His OBP is only .348 with a .320 AVG, so we know that he is relying heavily on the strength of his hits to get him on base. However, he has an astounding .369 BABIP, so when that number regresses to the mean and those hits start to get gobbled up by the defense, his OBP is going to plummet, and the Cubs will be left with .310-.320 OBP leadoff man. Consistent or not, that's not good.
 

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Wait, consistent at what? His OBP is only .348 with a .320 AVG, so we know that he is relying heavily on the strength of his hits to get him on base. However, he has an astounding .369 BABIP, so when that number regresses to the mean and those hits start to get gobbled up by the defense, his OBP is going to plummet, and the Cubs will be left with .310-.320 OBP leadoff man. Consistent or not, that's not good.

It may not be good, but what other choice do they have?

Sure Castro has put up some sort of numbers, but you cant rush him into the leadoff spot...yet.
 

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I just brought this up because people think Castro is to agressive, but look what Theriot is doing. Maybe if he takes more pitches, he will be fine and there is no need for a change but is that going to happen.
 

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I actually remember Theriot not swinging a ton at the first pitch. But you made good points. Castro could definitely do better. I agree with Zack, though, I wouldn't rush him yet. 'cause when he does bad and y'all want him outta there, it'll mess up his head.
 

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It may not be good, but what other choice do they have?

Sure Castro has put up some sort of numbers, but you cant rush him into the leadoff spot...yet.

I don't know, maybe they could start by looking at the two guys on their team with OBP's over .400 in Soto and Fukudome. Yeah you MIGHT be sacrificing their power hitting at the top of the lineup, but the value gained by having high-OBP guys like that at the top of the order everyday would certainly outweigh the fewer runs scored on the extra base hits they would get down in the lineup. Honestly, batting a guy at the top of the order who's main source of his .340 OBP is a .320 AVG with a ..360+ BABIP is wishful thinking at best and stupid at worst.
 

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good point, I hadn't noticed he was swinging at first pitches more often, will start watching that...

it's hard to buy or sell him as a lead-off, Cubs averages are so great but not productive...remember, last year they didn't even get any hits, period...
 

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Do you ever have fun with a post Lefty? Or do you just crunch the numbers all day? lol
 

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I think anyone who thinks our biggest problem is the fact that the guy who has had the most hits in the NL is our leadoff hitter needs to re-evaluate. Theriot's fine. Lee and Ramirez need to hit like they're paid to. Zambrano needs to pitch like he's paid to. We need a bullpen worth two damns. Fix all that shit first, then worry about Theriot's babip or whatever the hell we're bitching about.

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that was a little more profanity-laced than I intended...apologies.
 

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Lol X, I cussed out a dude on here. You're straight man. But I agree with your points.
 

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I think anyone who thinks our biggest problem is the fact that the guy who has had the most hits in the NL is our leadoff hitter needs to re-evaluate. Theriot's fine. Lee and Ramirez need to hit like they're paid to. Zambrano needs to pitch like he's paid to. We need a bullpen worth two damns. Fix all that shit first, then worry about Theriot's babip or whatever the hell we're bitching about.

/rant.

I don't think anyone ever said that Theriot is the "biggest problem" the Cubs have, or even alluded to something resembling that sentiment. If you're mad that the Cubs have a lot of problem areas, then just say that, but don't rant and attribute notions to people that never made them just because you think everyone should be in an uproar over what you think is REALLY wrong with the team. Moron.
 

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Do you ever have fun with a post Lefty? Or do you just crunch the numbers all day? lol

Last time I checked, there's nothing wrong with being at least somewhat knowledgeable about the game. And hey, someone on this board has to have half a brain when it comes to discussing baseball and not just post "this" or "ZOMGZ TEH PIRATES WON!!!".
 

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That's why I added the "lol". I wasn't being serious. I actually like your posts and seeing the numbers.
 

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I don't think anyone ever said that Theriot is the "biggest problem" the Cubs have, or even alluded to something resembling that sentiment. If you're mad that the Cubs have a lot of problem areas, then just say that, but don't rant and attribute notions to people that never made them just because you think everyone should be in an uproar over what you think is REALLY wrong with the team. Moron.

Moron? What the **** is your problem? People can enjoy themselves and still be educated about it. Chill the **** out and just give constructive criticism instead of being a dick about it.
 

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I had a whole post written up for this but I trashed it bc I def don't see eye to eye with most and I'm not in the mood for flaming today. Perhaps another day.
 

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You should have just posted it. I would like to hear what you had to say about it CJ. No point in worrying about upsetting someone. Seems to happen a lot here lately.

I blame the Cubs losing streak.
 

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I did not mean to write or post this thread if I knew it would cause trouble. I never said Theriot is not the biggest problem because he is not even close. But it would be nice for him to get on base and start some kind of ralley.
 

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